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Exactly what I meant when I said we hopefully won't be relying on him in future years. I.E. if we hit on some younger guys that come up (and FA's), Kremer would be odd man out or truly the #5 starter that can be pulled for someone else very quickly. I think everyone would agree his stuff is not overpowering, he is going to have smoke and mirror his way as a MLer. You're glad to have a guy like Kremer, but at the same time he's hopefully not a written-in-stone-starter for you. 

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Kremer wasn’t great but I think getting dragged here is a bit much.  He wasn’t sharp but he got through 6 and gave his team a chance to win. That’s all you can ask for when someone doesn’t have their

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Over the 35.33 innings of his last six starts, Dean Kremer has given up only 10 earned runs for an ERA of 2.55. In four of those starts, he's gone 6 to 6.33 innings.

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Exactly what I meant when I said we hopefully won't be relying on him in future years. I.E. if we hit on some younger guys that come up (and FA's), Kremer would be odd man out or truly the #5 starter that can be pulled for someone else very quickly. I think everyone would agree his stuff is not overpowering, he is going to have smoke and mirror his way as a MLer. You're glad to have a guy like Kremer, but at the same time he's hopefully not a written-in-stone-starter for you. 

My opinion is that Kremer will still be an effective major league starter 7-8 years from now.   Not saying it will be for us.  But I think he’s smart and resourceful, still learning his craft with his best years in front of him.  He’s never going to be a TOR guy, but he’s someone pretty reliable in a 3-5 slot.  

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My frustration with Kremer is that he seems to be his own worst enemy. The walk to the leadoff #9 hitter is a perfect example. Wiping out Machado for the second out with the go ahead runs on, and then throwing fat pitches to the next two guys to completely negate what he'd just accomplished. Some stats that I find interesting:

Kyle Bradish -- 

All batters: .230 / .291 / .358 / .649

Runners on base: .240 / .304 / .366 / .670

Runners in scoring position: .234 / .267 / .330 / .597

Runners in scoring position w/2 outs: .105 / .171 / .184 / .355

Kyle Gibson -- 

All batters: .267 / .322 / .414 / .737

Runners on base: .297 / .345 / .459 / .805

Runners in scoring position: .258 / .315 / .367 / .681

Runners in scoring position w/2 outs: .255 / .317 / .345 / .662

Cole Irvin -- 

All batters: .266 / .329 / .416 / .745

Runners on base: .259 / .350 / .318 / .668

Runners in scoring position: .236 / .290 / .327 / .618

Runners in scoring position w/2 outs: .286 / .375 / .429 / .804

Dean Kremer -- 

All batters: .257 / .318 / .440 / .758

Runners on base: .275 / .335 / .431 / .766

Runners in scoring position: .311 / .351 / .453 / .804

Runners in scoring position w/2 outs: .352 / .375 / 574 / .949

We all celebrate the clutch performers who come through in the big moments. Well, this season Kremer has been the anti-clutch guy. When the games have been on the line (like last night in the 3rd) he's all too often come up small.  

PS -- Kremer is 12th in all of MLB for run support, more than any other Orioles starter, which is a big reason he's 11-5. 

 

 

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Dean Kremer -- 

All batters: .257 / .318 / .440 / .758

Runners on base: .275 / .335 / .431 / .766

Runners in scoring position: .311 / .351 / .453 / .804

Runners in scoring position w/2 outs: .352 / .375 / 574 / .949

 

League-wide, hitters do about 35 OPS points better with runners on/RISP than with bases empty, so I don’t find Kremer’s runners on/RISP numbers way out of line with normal.  Those 2 out RISP stats are bad, but at 56 PA it’s a pretty small sample.  

Kremer’s had a 3.90 ERA since April.   He’s come up big in some very big games.   He’s got flaws but I trust him when the chips are down.  
 

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League-wide, hitters do about 35 OPS points better with runners on/RISP than with bases empty, so I don’t find Kremer’s runners on/RISP numbers way out of line with normal.  Those 2 out RISP stats are bad, but at 56 PA it’s a pretty small sample.  

Kremer’s had a 3.90 ERA since April.   He’s come up big in some very big games.   He’s got flaws but I trust him when the chips are down.  
 

It's weird because I have the opposite impression of Kremer. It feels to me like every time we are in a bit of a slump as a team or pitching staff or close to getting swept he steps up. His bad games it feels like to me come when we're in a pretty good way. Most recently when we had used up the bullpen and badly needed innings from our SP and he gave us 7 strong (I think scoreless?). 

I'd gladly take him as our #5 starter for another 10 years. 

I do wonder why he throws the curve so little. As he was coming up that was viewed as one of his best pitches if I recall correctly. I trust our development and analytics teams, but still would be interested what the explanation is. It feels like it would be a way to eek a bit more productivity / potential out of him. 

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13 hours ago, Frobby said:

My opinion is that Kremer will still be an effective major league starter 7-8 years from now.   Not saying it will be for us.  But I think he’s smart and resourceful, still learning his craft with his best years in front of him.  He’s never going to be a TOR guy, but he’s someone pretty reliable in a 3-5 slot.  

I’m happy with Kremer in his role, and think he is doing fine. I do wonder, however, if we were to add talent to the starting rotation, what he would look like as a back end bullpen guy, with his velocity playing up. I don’t think it’s likely we ever find that out, but it has crossed my mind.

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5 hours ago, IPlayGM said:

I’m happy with Kremer in his role, and think he is doing fine. I do wonder, however, if we were to add talent to the starting rotation, what he would look like as a back end bullpen guy, with his velocity playing up. I don’t think it’s likely we ever find that out, but it has crossed my mind.

I think he would excel and be a weapon as a multi inning relief guy, if we are lucky enough to have 5 starters better than him in the near future. 

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It's weird because I have the opposite impression of Kremer. It feels to me like every time we are in a bit of a slump as a team or pitching staff or close to getting swept he steps up. His bad games it feels like to me come when we're in a pretty good way. Most recently when we had used up the bullpen and badly needed innings from our SP and he gave us 7 strong (I think scoreless?). 

I'd gladly take him as our #5 starter for another 10 years. 

I do wonder why he throws the curve so little. As he was coming up that was viewed as one of his best pitches if I recall correctly. I trust our development and analytics teams, but still would be interested what the explanation is. It feels like it would be a way to eek a bit more productivity / potential out of him. 

ERA down to 4.31, so we're probably talking about something like a 3.70 or so ERA since April. 

Maybe it's because he's a guy that it feels like people are overly down on or beat up on too much, or because he came through our system, or because he's what we salvaged out of the Machado trade, but I'm a big fan of his. 

It really feels to me like he comes up big when we really need a big start. 

I also feel like he's better than the upside of a 5th starter that people have him pegged to be...let's not forget that he had a 3.23 ERA and 3.80 FIP last season (albeit in 21 starts). I wouldn't be surprised to see him get under 4 this season, and at 27 he's still a guy who has room for growth. 

All in all he's someone I really count as part of our rotation for the next 3-4 years barring injury. And if we build enough quality in our rotation where he's our 4th/5th starter we'll be in good stead for a couple of WS runs. 

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If Kremer wins 15 games this year and gets his ERA below 4.00, it will be hard to argue with his results over the past two years.

I agree with Frobby's take. He often seems to come up big when the team needs a stop. He is still learning how to pitch and win at the big league level.

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5 minutes ago, bluedog said:

If Kremer wins 15 games this year and gets his ERA below 4.00, it will be hard to argue with his results over the past two years.

I agree with Frobby's take. He often seems to come up big when the team needs a stop. He is still learning how to pitch and win at the big league level.

He’s smart, and he’s competitive.  Bulldog mentality.  It’s fascinating to learn that he has the 2nd best OPSA third time through the order of any pitcher in MLB.  Get him early or don’t get him — love it!

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