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Oscar Salazar removed from 40 man roster


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Actually, this kind of trauma is something that can only happen here, versus any other message board. And I kind of like it.

First off, I've never been on another board where an amazing percentage of people even KNOW who Salazar is, and then have the information to carry on a fascinating debate on the guy's upside, or lack thereof.

This place provides a unique perspective, and the little flare ups on nearly every transaction is a lot of fun. Whether I agree with a particular move or not myself, it sure is a blast to read the responses.

Ultimately, I'm saving my tantrum for other players and a future player to be named later.

-Don

I must admit I sort of like the trauma too. The Fans on the Hangout know their team inside and out and it's fun to watch.................................................................................................most of the time.

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The Orioles are continuing to have poor benches, and the idea of 13 pitchers makes the bench even worse. Salazar might have had a good chance to make a 4 man bench. I just don't understand why the Orioles don't get that having a good bench is vital to maintaining productivity from the lineup.

While I think that DFAing Salazar is odd ( I would of dfa'ed SImon) I think we have a very strong bench this year.

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Of the many things I don't know, here's one of them...

Do teams get on the phone and work things out ahead of time, so that they already know if he's gonna clear?

They surely have highly scouted organizational roster/depth charts and have a good idea who the teams are who might have the space and a need.

I would assume if they wanted to see what a particular team might do, it would depend on the relationship with the other team/GM.

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While I think that DFAing Salazar is odd ( I would of dfa'ed SImon) I think we have a very strong bench this year.

How are Freel and Gomez and a no-hit backup C a strong bench?

Gomez had a .655 OPS last year in 183 ABs and Freel only had a .699 OPS in 131 ABs. Salazar had a .878 OPS in 81 ABs...

We'll have no power off the bench whatsoever...

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He won't...

Just another stupid roster move by the Orioles who are too obsessed with pitchers.

Why the heck didn't we DFA Simon or Burres for crying out loud?

So who is going to defend MacPhail for this brilliant move?

LOL!

... "too obsessed with pitchers." :wedge:

Sure, we don't need those guys... :rofl:

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Somehow as the season progresses I don't think we'll see people logging on to OH to decry the glut of pitchers we have. Given the state of the pitching, any positional player that does not have a clear role and/or future with this club is expendable. Does a 31-year-old defensive liability fit that category? Why, yes, he does, despite his modestly decent production in just 81 at-bats.

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I am sad to see Salazar go, but its not gonna make me lose any sleep that we cut a 30 year old lifelong minor leaguer who wasn't going to make the club anyway.

The OH gets behind these guys like Knott, House, Salazar, etc. and then criticize the Orioles for not bringing them up or cutting them. Let me ask all the OH experts something...if these players are so great, why do none of the 30 major league teams give these guys ML roster spots?

Some players are just great AAAA players that will hit for short spurts in the majors, but their role is minor league filler. For some reason the OH gets behind these players and wants them on the big league squad over proven major leaguers like Mora, Huff, or Wigginton. Its one thing if they are 25 year old prospects. But when they are nearing 30 and have yet to break through the glass ceiling...there is probably a good reason for that! ;)

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Being DFA'd could be a prelude to a trade. Pauley was DFA'd before we traded for him. Salazar could be a useful piece to a National league bench. He can play corner spots and even fill in at SS in an emergency. Maybe he brings a useful piece in return (Middle Infield prospect?). I trust AM has thought this through as thoroughly as he has everything else. He is playing chess and thinking several moves ahead of many on this board. The Hot Stove is still very warm. I believe there are more moves to come.

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The OH gets behind these guys like Knott, House, Salazar, etc. and then criticize the Orioles for not bringing them up or cutting them. Let me ask all the OH experts something...if these players are so great, why do none of the 30 major league teams give these guys ML roster spots?

1) Obsession with specialist relievers leaves almost all teams with short benches. And it's almost killed platoons.

2) Risk aversion leads most GMs and managers to favor mediocre MLB veterans over similar minor league veterans. CYA and spreading the blame is easier with former MLB players.

3) These type of players often are defensively challenged and/or corner-only players, and tiny benches favor players who play a lot of positions relatively well.

3) The bottom ~20% of MLB players is pretty much interchangeable with the top ~50% of AAA. Plus theres a lot of overlap between bench-level MLBers and veterans in indy leagues, Japan, Mexico, etc. So the supply outstrips the demand.

4) It's simply not true that all of these type of players don't get roster spots. They do all the time - guys like Izturis, and Freel, Jayson Werth, and Josh Willingham. Luke Scott and Bubba Trammell. Ken Phelps and Jack Cust. Mike Fontenot and Endy Chavez. Benny Ayala and Jim Dwyer. John Lowenstein and Todd Cruz. In another universe Cust never gets a chance and Jon Knott does. Jay Payton gets cut and Luis Terrero takes his spot when a team just doesn't have the extra $3.5M to spend.

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Clearly, Billy Beane will be falling all over himself to sign Oscar Salazar like, 2 hours ago, right?!?!?!!

Let's not over Moneyball this, fellas. Salazar is a decent stick, but this is most certainly not the end of the world.

Don't overreact to the reaction. Losing a Ken Phelps All Star is rarely the end of the world since there are many out there. But each organization only has a few that fit their needs. And Oscar Salazar fit the O's pretty well.

That was the reason we went all crazy about Terrero, Cust, Knott and House. The O's were wasting at bats on relatively expensive and mediocre no-upside talents like Jay Payton and Paul Bako and David Segui and BJ Surhoff. The O's had talent on hand that was just as effective as the dreck they were trotting out every day in the majors, but at a tiny fraction of the cost. And they chose the expensive route while letting the younger, hungrier guys rot.

This is an organization that apparently had to trade Chad Bradford for $3.5M, is letting employees go, and is strapped for cash. But they cut loose a decent, cheap bat like Salazar and yet they talk of signing Ty Wigginton for what'll probably be a few $millions. Seems like a logical inconsistency unless the Wigginton rumors are false and they have another cheap 1B coming in from another source.

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Any chance they are keeping Burres for a possible move similar to the Olson trade?

The two seem to have the same value. Surely you could get more in a trade with Burres as the main guy as opposed to Salazar.

Just a thought as to why one might hang onto Burres rather than Salazar.

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Any chance they are keeping Burres for a possible move similar to the Olson trade?

The two seem to have the same value. Surely you could get more in a trade with Burres as the main guy as opposed to Salazar.

Just a thought as to why one might hang onto Burres rather than Salazar.

Olson >>> Burres

Burres doesn't have nearly the same upside as Olson. Burres is basically your prototypical swingman and we already have about 8 of those guys on our 40-man. He's expendable, but since he can eat innings, he was not waived.

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Any chance they are keeping Burres for a possible move similar to the Olson trade?

The two seem to have the same value. Surely you could get more in a trade with Burres as the main guy as opposed to Salazar.

Just a thought as to why one might hang onto Burres rather than Salazar.

I don't think Burres has much of any value at all. At best he's a swingman with value somewhere between replacement and average. At least Olson has youth and a good, recent minor league track record to fall back on.

When Burres was Olson's age he was a waiver claim, and all he's done since then is post a 5.88 in the majors in 260 innings.

You might be able to get a Randor Bierd kind of generic arm for him, but I'd be very surprised by anything more.

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