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Ruzious Hangout Grand Counsel

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The ranking of Top 10 Talents 25 And Under (as of Opening Day 2009)

1. Matt Wieters, C

2. Nick Markakis, RF

3. Adam Jones, CF

4. Chris Tillman, RHP

5. Brian Matusz, LHP

6. Jake Arrieta, RHP

7. Felix Pie, OF

8. Radhames Liz, RHP

9. Brandon Erbe, RHP

10. Nolan Reimold, RF

Markakis doesn't have the kind of power that one normally associates with a star corner outfielder, but he's hardly a slap hitter and does so many other things well to make up for it. He'll only get better going forward, and his long-term contract was an excellent move for Baltimore. Yes, I'm still a big believer in Adam Jones, even moreso after getting a sneak peek at what PECOTA had to say about him. Without giving away the store, I will mention that his four most comparable players listed in Baseball Prospectus 2009 combined for 13 All-Star Game appearances, 10 Top 10 MVP finishes, and 25 Gold Gloves. I'm still a believer in Pie as well, but as a left fielder there won't be enough bat there. Liz is what happens when your only real skill is the ability to throw the ball hard... albeit very hard.

Okay, it's official - Jones and Wieters are both shoe-ins for the HOF... along with Nick.

Is it correct to assume that Liz would be number 5 on the prospect list if he qualified as a prospect - since he's got him between Arrieta and Erbe on the 25 and under list?

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I personally think they are giving up on Rowell way too early. Remember, he'd be in his junior year of college right now and has a full season of Carolina League ball under him already. Also, not sure how like can not have Zach Britton listed at all...

Agreed on both points. I think Rowell has turned a lot of people off with his apparent attitude problems and consequent failure to listen to his coaches. But he's young enough to get his head on straight and turn that around. As to Britton, I guess his unspectacular K rate scares away some scouts, but his K rate is good enough considering what a ground ball machine he is. Hard to see Bergesen and Berken ranked ahead of Britton.

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First time I've seen anyone put Berken in the top 10. Did Goldstein explain his thinking here?

I like the comment about "the system's incredible pitching depth." Too bad we don't have position player depth to match. But between the two, I'd rather have the depth be in pitching.

Yes! That quote is what stood out for me as well. As for the individual rankings, I wouldn't quibble too much with them. Snyder hasn't shown the power of a traditional firstbaseman or the glove to play elsewhere. Yes, Rowell is young but he hasn't done much as a pro. Britton's numbers are good but he was old for his level and wasn't that dominant. I'm rooting for all of them but I'm most pleased about another "expert" confirming the overall outlook.

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Agreed on both points. I think Rowell has turned a lot of people off with his apparent attitude problems and consequent failure to listen to his coaches. But he's young enough to get his head on straight and turn that around. As to Britton, I guess his unspectacular K rate scares away some scouts, but his K rate is good enough considering what a ground ball machine he is. Hard to see Bergesen and Berken ranked ahead of Britton.

I suspect that this is soley due to how close they are to being ML ready vs. Britton who probably still is a couple of years away. I suspect that another season would produce a flip-flop in those ratings, assuming they all perform in a manner similar to what they've done in the, if only because Britton will be that much closer to the bigs.

It's great that we actually have enough talent in the system to argue over who rates where. Snyder at #10 is no big knock when you have Wieters, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta and Erbe vitually guaranteed spots above you. If guys like Hoes, Avery, Miclat, and Rowell can take big steps up this year, it will also go a long way to righting the pitching - position imbalance in talent that we're facing. To think that Rommie Lewis was once our top prospect, how far have we come?!

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Tony, what's the organizational perspective regarding Rowell's makeup? Is it as big a concern as many feel it should be?

No one will say anything publicly but there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff when it comes to Rowell. Some even fault the O's for not being more proactive with keeping the lines of communication open between the organization and Rowell.

Rowell is a case where he's not a bad person overall, just some maturity issues that need to be addressed and handled. I'm not privy to everything that has gone on obviously, but to me, he's too good of a talent to not have very clear communication with him in order to make sure they maximize his potential.

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Yes! That quote is what stood out for me as well. As for the individual rankings, I wouldn't quibble too much with them. Snyder hasn't shown the power of a traditional firstbaseman or the glove to play elsewhere. Yes, Rowell is young but he hasn't done much as a pro. Britton's numbers are good but he was old for his level and wasn't that dominant. I'm rooting for all of them but I'm most pleased about another "expert" confirming the overall outlook.

How was Britton old for his league? He was 20-years old in the Sally League. The average age for the Sally League is normally around 22-years old. At 20, he was basically right at the age for a prospect in the Sally League.

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I suspect that this is soley due to how close they are to being ML ready vs. Britton who probably still is a couple of years away. I suspect that another season would produce a flip-flop in those ratings, assuming they all perform in a manner similar to what they've done in the, if only because Britton will be that much closer to the bigs.

It's great that we actually have enough talent in the system to argue over who rates where. Snyder at #10 is no big knock when you have Wieters, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta and Erbe vitually guaranteed spots above you. If guys like Hoes, Avery, Miclat, and Rowell can take big steps up this year, it will also go a long way to righting the pitching - position imbalance in talent that we're facing. To think that Rommie Lewis was once our top prospect, how far have we come?!

Boy, ain't that the truth. I used to have to really stretch things when I got out of the top ten, now I can build a major league case for the top 20-25 and still have sleepers.

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My question got picked! Woooooooooooo that's never happened before.

Zach (Baltimore): Are Rowell's attitude problems really so prevalent that his huge upside doesn't even get him on the radar anymore?

Kevin Goldstein: It's not his only problem. Bad shape, listless play, bad defense. I coudln't find anyone with a positive thing to say about him other than the fact that he hits the ball hard in batting practice. I'd put him in the late teens somewhere, but he got very little consideration for the Top 11.

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Zach (Baltimore): Are Rowell's attitude problems really so prevalent that his huge upside doesn't even get him on the radar anymore?

Kevin Goldstein: It's not his only problem. Bad shape, listless play, bad defense. I coudln't find anyone with a positive thing to say about him other than the fact that he hits the ball hard in batting practice. I'd put him in the late teens somewhere, but he got very little consideration for the Top 11.

Well that's not exactly what we want to hear

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My question got picked! Woooooooooooo that's never happened before.
Tyler (Baltimore): KG - Where does Zach Britton fit in the equation amongst the O's pitching prospects?

Kevin Goldstein: There are scouts who would have put him in the Top 11, and I think the Orioles would too. For me, it was more of a 13-16 range. He's a lefty groundball machine, but I'm not sure about the projection.

And I just got mine answered as well.

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From the chat...

Zach (Baltimore): Are Rowell's attitude problems really so prevalent that his huge upside doesn't even get him on the radar anymore?

Kevin Goldstein: It's not his only problem. Bad shape, listless play, bad defense. I coudln't find anyone with a positive thing to say about him other than the fact that he hits the ball hard in batting practice. I'd put him in the late teens somewhere, but he got very little consideration for the Top 11.

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From the chat:

Tyler (Baltimore): Do the O's have the best depth of pitching prospects in all of baseball?

Kevin Goldstein: It's them or Texas. Texas has MORE pitching prospects overall for sure, but Baltimore has an edge at the upper levels.

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

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Make that #2 for me

Tyler (Baltimore): Do the O's have the best depth of pitching prospects in all of baseball?

Kevin Goldstein: It's them or Texas. Texas has MORE pitching prospects overall for sure, but Baltimore has an edge at the upper levels

We have the best position prospect and possibly the best minor league pitching depth in ALL of baseball. So we've got that going for us...which is nice

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