Mounty to 10 Day IL, Denoyer DFA’ed. Kolozsvary Contract Purchased

[Aristotelian]

18 minutes ago, Os4days said:

Good response. I have no skin in the game with Mounty other than he is the only guy in our lineup that can jack a three run homer on a consistent basis. Do we have other guys with pop? Sure but we definitely need that power bat in the middle of the lineup.

Is that really true though? He had only 22 HR last year (Santander beat him easily with 33). He has 11 this year but 4 HR (along with 14 RBI) came in two games. Gunnar has 10, Santander 9, and three players have 8. I don't think Mountcastle is head and shoulders above everyone else. Then you consider that benching him could mean Westburg, I don't know that Mountcastle's "power bat" is worth the OBP and K's.   

[Os4days]

5 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Is that really true though? He had only 22 HR last year (Santander beat him easily with 33). He has 11 this year but 4 HR (along with 14 RBI) came in two games. Gunnar has 10, Santander 9, and three players have 8. I don't think Mountcastle is head and shoulders above everyone else. Then you consider that benching him could mean Westburg, I don't know that Mountcastle's "power bat" is worth the OBP and K's.   

@Aristotelian 

What is your issue with my posts … you feel that much of a need to respond back on every single posts I make about Monty? You have your opinion and I have mine. You’re not going to convince me to think like you. You can point out any stat you want but who in our lineup is the type of hitter that scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style? We have guys who have some pop but no one who is going to be a Vlad Guerrero or even a George Springer type hitter. Maybe Gunnar will be at some point in his career but not this year. I’m looking at this year and getting to the playoffs. I personally think we need Mounty to help us get there. Period. 

[forphase1]

36 minutes ago, Os4days said:

@Aristotelian 

What is your issue with my posts … you feel that much of a need to respond back on every single posts I make about Monty? You have your opinion and I have mine. You’re not going to convince me to think like you. You can point out any stat you want but who in our lineup is the type of hitter that scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style? We have guys who have some pop but no one who is going to be a Vlad Guerrero or even a George Springer type hitter. Maybe Gunnar will be at some point in his career but not this year. I’m looking at this year and getting to the playoffs. I personally think we need Mounty to help us get there. Period. 

Do you really think Mountcastle scares any pitchers?  With the way he's hit the past 2 years I highly doubt it.   I don't see him striking any more fear into the opposing pitching staff than some of our other hitters.  Now, you aren't wrong that no one in our lineup scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style, but you are wrong in trying to act like Mountcastle is that hitter.   IMO of course. 

[Os4days]

8 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

Do you really think Mountcastle scares any pitchers?  With the way he's hit the past 2 years I highly doubt it.   I don't see him striking any more fear into the opposing pitching staff than some of our other hitters.  Now, you aren't wrong that no one in our lineup scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style, but you are wrong in trying to act like Mountcastle is that hitter.   IMO of course. 

Fair enough and for the most part I agree with you. I’m not saying Monty is  the “guy” but we don’t know how much the vertigo has affected him this year. Bringing up Cowser or Heston isn’t going to do it for us this YEAR in my opinion. 
 

Tonight is the perfect example of having that middle of the lineup power slugger. On a night where Berrios was looking like Pedro Martinez having that one guy who can hit that one mistake to get us going would be huge. George Springer did it for Toronto.
 

Earl believed in fundamentals, pitching and the three run homer to win games. I realize this team is not built that way but still can hope for it. Maybe Elias will work his magic and pull one out. 

[forphase1]

1 minute ago, Os4days said:

Fair enough and for the most part I agree with you. I’m not saying Monty is  the “guy” but we don’t know how much the vertigo has affected him this year. Bringing up Cowser or Heston isn’t going to do it for us this YEAR in my opinion. 
 

Tonight is the perfect example of having that middle of the lineup power slugger. On a night where Berrios was looking like Pedro Martinez having that one guy who can hit that one mistake to get us going would be huge. George Springer did it for Toronto.
 

Earl believed in fundamentals, pitching and the three run homer to win games. I realize this team is not built that way but still can hope for it. Maybe Elias will work his magic and pull one out. 

Unless the vertigo was impacting him last year too, then it's not really a factor in this discussion.  Last year he only hit 22 homeruns with a .729 OPS.  That is a hitter you respect, but certainly not fear.  And of course we don't know how long the vertigo has happened this year along with his .686 OPS this year so far.  Maybe he's been dealing with it all year.  Maybe it's just been the last week or two.  We really don't know, or know the impact at this point.

I agree that our lineup could use a real masher, someone who CAN make the other teams pitching staff scared or cautious.  We don't have a 'true' middle of the order bat.  We have a bunch of good, solid hitters (and some real stinkers mixed in) but not anyone that is consistently scary.  Sure, we have a few guys that when they are on a hot streak can be scary, but for most of them that streak only lasts for a few weeks before they become less dangerous for quite a while.  Some of the young guys may end up being that masher (Adley, Henderson, some of the Norfolk/minors group) but none yet.  

As to Earl, this team isn't built that way, as you noted.  We don't have the pitching staff to live that way really, nor do we have the masher.  So we have to play a different style of ball, at least given the current roster construction.  A few trades or call ups and perhaps that can change a bit.

[FlipTheBird]

1 hour ago, Os4days said:

@Aristotelian 

What is your issue with my posts … you feel that much of a need to respond back on every single posts I make about Monty? You have your opinion and I have mine. You’re not going to convince me to think like you. You can point out any stat you want but who in our lineup is the type of hitter that scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style? We have guys who have some pop but no one who is going to be a Vlad Guerrero or even a George Springer type hitter. Maybe Gunnar will be at some point in his career but not this year. I’m looking at this year and getting to the playoffs. I personally think we need Mounty to help us get there. Period. 

To be fair, part of the reason the guys that usually hit behind Mountcastle can’t hit three run homers is because Ryan has usually already struck out. Hard to drive in a guy that’s not on base.

[sportsfan8703]

I still don’t understand the Denoyer DFA. I don’t understand what we then saw to protect him from the rule 5?  I do like that we now have optionable arms in the last spot for the pen. 

[Aristotelian]

10 hours ago, Os4days said:

@Aristotelian 

What is your issue with my posts … you feel that much of a need to respond back on every single posts I make about Monty? You have your opinion and I have mine. You’re not going to convince me to think like you. You can point out any stat you want but who in our lineup is the type of hitter that scares a pitcher Earl Weaver style? We have guys who have some pop but no one who is going to be a Vlad Guerrero or even a George Springer type hitter. Maybe Gunnar will be at some point in his career but not this year. I’m looking at this year and getting to the playoffs. I personally think we need Mounty to help us get there. Period. 

Honestly I had not noticed you as an individual poster, apparently you just happen to say a lot of things I see as incorrect  It is odd that you would post and then not want people to respond to you. I would love to have a Vlad Guerrero/George Springer in our lineup, but Mountcastle isn't remotely close to those guys. Yes, he has comparable power but they both walk more, strike out less, and OPS 100 points higher.

[Aristotelian]

21 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I still don’t understand the Denoyer DFA. I don’t understand what we then saw to protect him from the rule 5?  I do like that we now have optionable arms in the last spot for the pen. 

I was a little bummed about Denoyer DFA. Unfortunately he hasn't performed as well in AAA as he looked in AA. I hope he makes it through waivers and we give him some time to turn things around. It is possible he just isn't that good above AA.