Specific Trade Ideas

[RZNJ]

41 minutes ago, 24fps said:

EdRod is not a rental pitcher.  After this season, he will still have $49 mill on his contract and won't be a FA until 2027.

95% or greater he opts out for a better contract.

[Greg Pappas]

11 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

95% or greater he opts out for a better contract.

You could be right.  However, because of his injury history he may play it safe and take the guaranteed money, rather than trying to get more.  It's hard to say what the odds are, but I wouldn't risk it if I were Elias, when there are other options where we wouldn't have those concerns.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Greg Pappas

[RZNJ]

9 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

You could be right.  However, because of his injury history he may play it safe and take the guaranteed money, rather than trying to get more.  It's hard to say what the odds are, but I wouldn't risk it if I were Elias, when there are other options where we wouldn't have those concerns.

He had injury history when he got that contact.  Look at DeGrom.  Some one will give him more than 3/49.   

[Greg Pappas]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

He had injury history when he got that contact.  Look at DeGrom.  Some one will give him more than 3/49.   

True, though he's older now, so even more risk.  But again, you may be right. My point is that I don't feel the O's in particular would trade for him with less risky options available.

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I see your point. I am definitely not against acquiring him as he would be a major upgrade for our rotation. But acquiring him makes it essential that was also acquire at least 1 more very good bullpen arm. We have a serious weakness in the 6th and 7th inning. When the starter can go 6, we can patch it together most times for the 7th until we get to the back end guys. But like last night when the starter goes only 5 or even just pitches into the 6th, we normally have problems because IMO Baker/Baumann are just League average guys and some of the others are well below that threshold.

Honestly …. Kremer is trending up. 

Bradish, Wells, and Kremer can pitch with anyone. I suppose if you’re going to send/shutdown Grayson you’d add another. 
 

But , I really think we should be after nonclosers. 
 

Cubs Merryweather, Alzoley, Leiter 

Pirates De Los Santos, Hernandez,  Moreta , Ramirez 

Gnats Hunter Harvey, Thompson, Edwards

A’s Long, Jackson, Sears

Rockies Bird, Lawrence , Suter

 

Pick your poison

 

 

Hader would work for me if you can get him for somebody in our 15-20 range and a lottery ticket.

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, clapdiddy said:

Not trying to be a smart aleck, but what position are you defending?  You imply that the package is too big, then ask why they want Hall or Akin.  Hall and Akin have good arms...could be the old "change of scenery" thing.   

Again, not trying to give you a hard time, just making sure I understand.

I don’t think they’d want Hall right now….Akin ?

I don’t see Elias selling off 6 guys. 

[slakattack]

55 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Do you not consider Stroman in the group of pitchers that you listed? He’s having an excellent season has has two great starts against the Rays (when they were rolling) and has a player option at the end of the year. 

Will never root for Marcus Stroman...will turn off game first.

[Bemorewins]

11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Honestly …. Kremer is trending up. 

Bradish, Wells, and Kremer can pitch with anyone. I suppose if you’re going to send/shutdown Grayson you’d add another. 
 

But , I really think we should be after nonclosers. 
 

Cubs Merryweather, Alzoley, Leiter 

Pirates De Los Santos, Hernandez,  Moreta , Ramirez 

Gnats Hunter Harvey, Thompson, Edwards

A’s Long, Jackson, Sears

Rockies Bird, Lawrence , Suter

 

Pick your poison

 

 

Hader would work for me if you can get him for somebody in our 15-20 range and a lottery ticket.

Kremer has been better lately (other than the Twins start here where he got shelled by a horrible offense). But I would rather put our postseason hopes in acquiring a better starter to slot in the first three games and then using him as a fourth starter (if needed). Snell, Eduardo Rodriguez, Stroman, Cease, and even Giolito are all better than Kremer IMO.

[Bemorewins]

10 minutes ago, slakattack said:

Will never root for Marcus Stroman...will turn off game first.

Understood.

[CaptainRedbeard]

1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

Do you not consider Stroman in the group of pitchers that you listed? He’s having an excellent season has has two great starts against the Rays (when they were rolling) and has a player option at the end of the year. 

Stroman is on the same level as the other rental SP for this season but I don’t like him as a FA target, primarily because he’ll be 33 at the start of the next season and the other guys will be 29 (Giolito) or 31 (Snell, Montgomery, Ed Rod). He’s also a low-K, GB pitcher and I think more flyball oriented pitchers are better fits in OPACY. I also have some preference for guys that are stronger against LH batters than RH batters given the OPACY dimensions, which the other guys have (even Giolito, who has reverse splits) and Stroman is pretty much neutral. 

[Bemorewins]

2 minutes ago, CaptainRedbeard said:

Stroman is on the same level as the other rental SP for this season but I don’t like him as a FA target, primarily because he’ll be 33 at the start of the next season and the other guys will be 29 (Giolito) or 31 (Snell, Montgomery, Ed Rod). He’s also a low-K, GB pitcher and I think more flyball oriented pitchers are better fits in OPACY. I also have some preference for guys that are stronger against LH batters than RH batters given the OPACY dimensions, which the other guys have (even Giolito, who has reverse splits) and Stroman is pretty much neutral. 

I appreciate you laying out the details that inform you particular preference.

All of these guys are FAs at the end of this year no? So no matter who we would be acquiring the focus would be primarily the rest of this year.

If we were to resign/sign one of these guys in the offseason that would give us 6 starters with Means coming back. Then one would have to go.

[Billy F-Face3]

There's a rumor now that the Astros are going after Dylan Cease, even though I also read elsewhere previously that the White Sox don't want to trade Cease.

[foxfield]

I can't help it.  I would, if it were reasonable, be very much intrigued with adding Erod and Hader and one other High Leverage guy

Edited July 18, 2023 by foxfield

[AnythingO's]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

95% or greater he opts out for a better contract.

Probably true unless he likes it in BAL with the young stars and great defense behind him. Then you try to renegotiate with him to avoid the opt out. He seems like a low profile guy, maybe he would like the stability vs FA. Maybe he would like an opportunity to stick it to BOS. This is from a DET fan forum where they advocate renegotiating, The biggest question would be if he’d take a straight salary increase or would want more years added. I have no doubt he’d get at least $20M per year in free agency, but I’d be surprised if he was only offered a 3-year deal. Taijuan Walker (4/$72M), and Jameson Tallion (4/$68M) each managed to secure 4-year deals this winter and E-rod has been better than both in recent history. 

I would thing he would have to seriously consider not opting out if his 3/$49M went to 3/$55M plus a 4th year at $20M for 4/$75M. An AAV just over what Gibson-Frazier cost so Payroll neutral.

[RZNJ]

13 minutes ago, AnythingO's said:

Probably true unless he likes it in BAL with the young stars and great defense behind him. Then you try to renegotiate with him to avoid the opt out. He seems like a low profile guy, maybe he would like the stability vs FA. Maybe he would like an opportunity to stick it to BOS. This is from a DET fan forum where they advocate renegotiating, The biggest question would be if he’d take a straight salary increase or would want more years added. I have no doubt he’d get at least $20M per year in free agency, but I’d be surprised if he was only offered a 3-year deal. Taijuan Walker (4/$72M), and Jameson Tallion (4/$68M) each managed to secure 4-year deals this winter and E-rod has been better than both in recent history. 

I would thing he would have to seriously consider not opting out if his 3/$49M went to 3/$55M plus a 4th year at $20M for 4/$75M. An AAV just over what Gibson-Frazier cost so Payroll neutral.

I think it’s prudent to assume you are getting Rodriguez or Stroman without an extension in place, which is probably for the best anyway.