Specific Trade Ideas

[Aristotelian]

I would have done Westburg for Burnes in the off-season. With Burnes numbers all down I'm not sure I'd do it now.

[linedrive]

16 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

It's going to be a seller's market.  The AL only has 4 teams out of the wild card race.  NL has a few more teams probably selling, but there will be more buyers than sellers.

This is the trick. The Brewers are only 2 games out, so they're not going to trade Burnes, and the White Sox are only 8 games out of first place, so I doubt Giolito or Graveman are available. I want a starter for the stretch run, so what teams are selling? Looks like we've got the Royals, A's, Mets, Nationals, Rockies and possibly the Cardinals. The Pirates and Padres are only 9.5 out of first. But with the Wild Card, realistically, I can only see 5 teams who are sellers: Royals, A's, Mets, Nationals, and Rockies. Daniel Lynch is the only starter on the Royals I like, but I doubt he's available. Is J.P Spears available from the A's? He could be an intriguing trade option that we wouldn't have to give up a premium prospect for. Or what would it take to get Kodai Senga or Verlander from the Mets? Probably a Kjerstad and Ortiz. The Rockies might have some pitchers in Kyle Freeland, German Marques, Ryan Feltner, Austin Bomber or Connor Seabold, none of which should be too expensive. Now the Nationals have some nice arms in MacKenzie Gore, Josiah Gray, Patrick Corbin, Trevor Williams and Jake Irvin. Not sure how many of them would be available, but one of them might make for a nice addition.

There may be other pitchers available, but these are the names I think we have a shot at. But what intangibles are we looking at? Do we want good leadership and clubhouse presence? I don't know who qualifies in that respect. Verlander? For me, I'd want to target Senga. I like him a lot and would see if we could get him for Kjerstad and Ortiz. Might have to depart with Basallo or Hall too. But I would do that trade. I'd also want to explore getting Spears. Those are the two I'd like to get.

 

[waroriole]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Would you make this deal?

 

Not Westburg but if they’d be interested in Ortiz and Stowers as a replacement I would. 

[AnythingO's]

17 minutes ago, pdiddy said:

I love an E Rod and Foley (ground balls and not HR-prone) combo deal. Their top two prospects are 3B/2B and 2B so perhaps they’d like to trick out 4/5/6 for the next few years but it makes it harder to come up with the “plus” - OF maybe. 

Ortiz gets to stay at SS  his best position. Stowers gives them an OF bat with pop. Irvin gives them a back end SP to eat innings while they wait on their young pitchers to get healthy and develop. For ERod and Foley

[Teddy OBP]

1 minute ago, AnythingO's said:

Ortiz gets to stay at SS  his best position. Stowers gives them an OF bat with pop. Irvin gives them a back end SP to eat innings while they wait on their young pitchers to get healthy and develop. For ERod and Foley

I’d do that I think - if E Rods next two starts are good. Would want to make sure the finger is ok.

[eddie83]

Jays won 

[AnythingO's]

Just now, pdiddy said:

I’d do that I think - if E Rods next two starts are good. Would want to make sure the finger is ok.

Nothing I have read about the finger injury makes me believe it is career ending, just something to nurse back to health. The question mark should keep the price down some.

[OriolesMagic83]

I'm sure the Mets are looking to reload.  Senga has been their best pitcher.  I heard Scherzer might be available more than Verlander.  Angelos and $43 mill salary is a no for sure.  Maybe one of the Mets relievers would be available?  I've heard Robertson mentioned. 

The White Sox should be sellers, they're 15 games under .500.  No way they come back from that.  I thought they had a rebuild that would work.  Lots of guys on big extensions underperforming.

I'm thinking Giolito is about the best the O's are going to trade for at the trade deadline.  I can't see Elias trading what would be needed for a controllable starter, maybe in the offseason. 

 

[EddeeEddee]

12 minutes ago, linedrive said:

This is the trick. The Brewers are only 2 games out, so they're not going to trade Burnes, and the White Sox are only 8 games out of first place, so I doubt Giolito or Graveman are available. I want a starter for the stretch run, so what teams are selling? Looks like we've got the Royals, A's, Mets, Nationals, Rockies and possibly the Cardinals. The Pirates and Padres are only 9.5 out of first. But with the Wild Card, realistically, I can only see 5 teams who are sellers: Royals, A's, Mets, Nationals, and Rockies. Daniel Lynch is the only starter on the Royals I like, but I doubt he's available. Is J.P Spears available from the A's? He could be an intriguing trade option that we wouldn't have to give up a premium prospect for. Or what would it take to get Kodai Senga or Verlander from the Mets? Probably a Kjerstad and Ortiz. The Rockies might have some pitchers in Kyle Freeland, German Marques, Ryan Feltner, Austin Bomber or Connor Seabold, none of which should be too expensive. Now the Nationals have some nice arms in MacKenzie Gore, Josiah Gray, Patrick Corbin, Trevor Williams and Jake Irvin. Not sure how many of them would be available, but one of them might make for a nice addition.

There may be other pitchers available, but these are the names I think we have a shot at. But what intangibles are we looking at? Do we want good leadership and clubhouse presence? I don't know who qualifies in that respect. Verlander? For me, I'd want to target Senga. I like him a lot and would see if we could get him for Kjerstad and Ortiz. Might have to depart with Basallo or Hall too. But I would do that trade. I'd also want to explore getting Spears. Those are the two I'd like to get.

 

Very intriguing post.  Kodai Senga is a great idea, though I think too ambitious for the Orioles to pursue and can't see why the Mets would trade him without getting strong young pitching in return. 

I doubt Verlander will cost that much in a trade considering how much money he is making this year and next -- and his age.  The Mets would have to eat a huge amount of his salary to get Ortiz and Kjerstad in return -- and even then I think that's probably a bit of an overpay for a 40 year old pitcher.  And even if the Mets ate half his salary the Orioles would still owe him over $20 million next year.  I would love for the O's to get Verlander, though.  He's pitched well his last several games.

[casadeozo]

What about a trade with the Angels.

maybe Ben Joyce for Urias and a minor leaguer? Maybe Prieto?

Edited July 9, 2023 by casadeozo

[Greg Pappas]

While getting a ToR should be a strong consideration, could Elias instead consider serious upgrades to the bullpen?  Not that he can't do both, but if the cost is too high for starters, going the bullpen route seems to make sense.

Maybe we save on the prospect cost by targeting two strong bullpen arms?  Not closers, as they would likely be cost prohibitive and we have our own, but rather guys to bridge the gap from innings 6 and 7 to get to Cano and Bautista.  Guys like Jason Foley, mentioned earlier. 

[Greg Pappas]

18 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

What about a trade with the Angels.

maybe Ben Joyce for Urias and a minor leaguer? Maybe Prieto?

Joyce has only 28 innings in the minors and 4 IP in LA.   While he's talented, I doubt he's the kind of reliever we'd target.

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, waroriole said:

Not Westburg but if they’d be interested in Ortiz and Stowers as a replacement I would. 

Burnes is a 4 ERA pitcher this year with 1 more year of control for 3 of our top 12 and another player……I say NO! 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Roll Tide

[Roll Tide]

37 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

While getting a ToR should be a strong consideration, could Elias instead consider serious upgrades to the bullpen?  Not that he can't do both, but if the cost is too high for starters, going the bullpen route seems to make sense.

Maybe we save on the prospect cost by targeting two strong bullpen arms?  Not closers, as they would likely be cost prohibitive and we have our own, but rather guys to bridge the gap from innings 6 and 7 to get to Cano and Bautista.  Guys like Jason Foley, mentioned earlier. 

I see him more willing to part with pieces that will land a few quality MR than a haul to get a top starter.

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, waroriole said:

Not Westburg but if they’d be interested in Ortiz and Stowers as a replacement I would. 

You’d give up 5 players for Burnes? He’s not even a TOR….he’s a 4 ERA pitcher so far this year.