Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline

[tntoriole]

2 minutes ago, bluedog said:

Giolito went for the #65 overall prospect (according to MLB.com) and a pitcher who's been described as having mid-rotation upside. Robertson went for two prospects who were 20th+ best in the Marlins system. The Dodgers get two starters for a non-Top 100 prospect.

Am I reading this right that teams aren't getting back a ton of value for veteran pitchers thus far?

Exactly… I think Sig’s influence is huge .. I am more of the idea that they are not going to make any deal of more weight than the Fuji deal and maybe zero 

[bluedog]

10 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I'll riot if Elias makes this deal.

Me too. Isn't Kjerstand + Westburg + Hall similar to the package the Nats got for Juan Soto? Way to much for Cease.

[Fan4Life]

13 minutes ago, Ripken said:

Too rich for me.  Westburg and Kjerstad for a guy with one good year?  Nope.

The guys on The Fan said they'd do that trade all day long.. lol.. Apparently they have some euphemism for prospects that has a negative connotation.

[Just Regular]

Now that the Mets have crossed the Rubicon with the David Robertson sell off, I am just staring at Age 40 Verlander and Age 38 Scherzer.

I know Max is a Union guy, but both guys are to the point in their careers the marginal millions have lower value.    They are Hall of Fame pitchers where the watered down regular season can't offer them much they don't already have.     Any October could be their last.

I don't imagine they have much commitment to the '24 Mets, Cohen gets near 2-for-1 savings on any dollars he sheds, and he can just reload with Snell, Urias, Giolito, maybe Ohtani.

[Sydnor]

 

[Number5]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

No we aren't.

Any decision that could be made then can be made now.

I believe he is talking about revocable waivers.

[bluedog]

Just now, tntoriole said:

Exactly… I think Sig’s influence is huge .. I am more of the idea that they are not going to make any deal of more weight than the Fuji deal and maybe zero 

I think Elias will make some deals, but I think he's not going to move more than 1 of our Top 100 prospects. 

You have to believe that the O's could have gotten Giolito for Norby+ given what the Angels gave up. That tells me Elias isn't shipping out a Top 100 prospect for a rental.

[Ripken]

Just now, Fan4Life said:

The guys on The Fan said they'd do that trade all day long.. lol.. Apparently they have some euphemism for prospects that has a negative connotation.

Yeah, I hear ya.  They are just prospects after all and we are going to [very likely] give some up.  That's fine but you still have to get a good return for them.  One top guy for Cease, I'd consider, but not two.

[tntoriole]

2 minutes ago, bluedog said:

I think Elias will make some deals, but I think he's not going to move more than 1 of our Top 100 prospects. 

You have to believe that the O's could have gotten Giolito for Norby+ given what the Angels gave up. That tells me Elias isn't shipping out a Top 100 prospect for a rental.

Which is strong belief of Mejdal.. that rentals are always ridiculous value overpays that never work and that only draft and system enable winners 

[baltfan]

1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

Which is strong belief of Mejdal.. that rentals are always ridiculous value overpays that never work and that only draft and system enable winners 

Sometimes they work - Sabathia, Johnson, and even Doyle Alexander.  I am sure the Cubs would trade for Chapman again.

[bluedog]

2 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Now that the Mets have crossed the Rubicon with the David Robertson sell off, I am just staring at Age 40 Verlander and Age 38 Scherzer.

I know Max is a Union guy, but both guys are to the point in their careers the marginal millions have lower value.    They are Hall of Fame pitchers where the watered down regular season can't offer them much they don't already have.     Any October could be their last.

I don't imagine they have much commitment to the '24 Mets, Cohen gets near 2-for-1 savings on any dollars he sheds, and he can just reload with Snell, Urias, Giolito, maybe Ohtani.

You have to think that the Mets would ship both of them out for next to nothing in return for any team willing to eat a big chunk of their salary. If the O's really want to upgrade their staff for a WS run this year without giving up the farm (literally) then this is an option.

And short of a (now impossible) Ohtani trade, its hard to imagine any move(s) that would excite O's fans (and the baseball world in general) more than acquiring one or both of the Mets $43M starters.

Of course - given the O's history this is just a fantasy (until it isn't).

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

4 minutes ago, Ripken said:

Yeah, I hear ya.  They are just prospects after all and we are going to [very likely] give some up.  That's fine but you still have to get a good return for them.  One top guy for Cease, I'd consider, but not two.

And that's the problem I have with the deal it's bit much unless Cease is going to pitch like he did last season and 2022 might have been his career year rather than something repeatable.

Cease is a good pitcher, but I'd rather get someone like Jordan Montgomery at a lower prospect cost.

[RZNJ]

If we had added Ahmed Rosalio, Lance Lynn, and Joe Kelley in the last 48 hours, I think I’d be on all fours in front of the toilet in puke mode.

[FlipTheBird]

3 minutes ago, bluedog said:

You have to think that the Mets would ship both of them out for next to nothing in return for any team willing to eat a big chunk of their salary. If the O's really want to upgrade their staff for a WS run this year without giving up the farm (literally) then this is an option.

And short of a (now impossible) Ohtani trade, its hard to imagine any move(s) that would excite O's fans (and the baseball world in general) more than acquiring one or both of the Mets $43M starters.

Of course - given the O's history this is just a fantasy (until it isn't).

As the Mets don't seem to care about salary, it would actually behoove them to eat a lot of it themselves for a better return.

[bluedog]

Kendall Graveman to the Astros:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/white-sox-trade-kendall-graveman-astros.html