Kevin Brown absence explained?

[Morgan423]

21 minutes ago, ledzepp8 said:

Fine I'll check .  He had to be talking about at the Trop. Because they're 4-2 there this season and were a combined 3-16 the previous two seasons.

Sorry, late to this party, but yes, I'm pretty sure that he specified this (pretty certain that he used "here" in his quote, as in, "Here [in the Trop]") at the time, when he said it.  I remember having that direct understanding in real time when it happened.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Morgan423

[accinfo]

If this is true it just makes no sense.  I just don’t see how that comment could get anyone suspended.  Kevin Brown is good and I would hate to lose him over something like this.  

[ArtVanDelay]

Can we get a “sell the team” chant going during the playoffs?  Would be extremely embarrassing for the Angelos family on national TV. 

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

That was JA's wife? Well of course she would just feel she can do whatever she wants during a live broadcast. Now I know why all of the announcers just acted like nothing had happened when that woman took the selfie. 

I thought it was BB's wife getting a selfie with Scotty McGregor.

[maybenxtyr]

50 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:

I saw that and assumed it was Brad Brach's wife at the time....

Same. I thought she was getting a selfie with BB and McGregor.

[ThisIsBirdland]

17 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Hired Kevin Brown too, though?

But we can agree to disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a JA fan.  I think he's probably a bit of a jerk but he's not only hired Elias, it seems as if he's given Elias reign to do whatever he wants to right the direction of the franchise.  I don't think he's gotten in the way.  

And I know that could spark off a giant debate about whether or not Elias is allowed to spend money...people are going to act like they know for sure when they really don't.  

I'm probably not remembering some things but all I know for sure is that JA went media silent there for a few years after hiring Elias.  He had that dust up with Connolly earlier before the season started and that rambling mess of an impromptu media conference in Spring Training.  He's not media savvy and I don't hold that against him.  And fans on this board and elsewhere damned him for being inaccessible to the media...and then when he was, they damned him for what he had to say.

But hiring Elias, if that's the one thing he did right, that's enough for me to overlook anything else I've forgotten about him and haven't mentioned here.  

 

This is the issue for me. He was fine when he kept out of the spotlight, let the rebuild proceed uninterrupted. I was even defending him for resource allocation last off-season if they didn't necessarily value the market that strongly. It seemed like (or I'd hoped) he'd learned from his Dad's issues to just let the product on the field represent you, and that by delegating entirely to Elias, he'd be a potentially decent passive Owner. Then there were rumors that he'd be selling as soon as his Dad passed; no reason to get worked up if he had a bad media exchange here or that as long as the team was improving and he'd be gone soon enough.

However, since they started winning, everything is unfortunately changing. It feels like he (almost desperately) needs the recognition for the state of the franchise more and more. He wants to assert himself into these media sessions, or the political scene with Moore, or this notion of revitalizing Baltimore by holding out for more money on the lease agreement. Little ego-driven dust-ups with young up and coming talent on the team just feels like the next step. He says he has no intention of selling now that they're winning. I just fear it's all going to his head and he's already acting out because of it. I really hope I'm wrong.

[maybenxtyr]

37 minutes ago, banks703 said:

So has JA's wife. 

 

Yeah, BB is getting ready to go on a trip to the woods.

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said:

 

However, since they started winning, everything is unfortunately changing. It feels like he (almost desperately) needs the recognition for the state of the franchise more and more. He wants to assert himself into these media sessions, or the political scene with Moore, or this notion of revitalizing Baltimore by holding out for more money on the lease agreement. Little ego-driven dust-ups with young up and coming talent on the team just feels like the next step. He says he has no intention of selling now that they're winning. I just fear it's all going to his head and he's already acting out because of it. I really hope I'm wrong.

See, these are things I don't care about.  

I don't care about his political leanings at all or what he does with the Governor.  I have no doubt in my mind that if JA's political leanings were a 180 from where they currently are, some people wouldn't have much of an issue with him...but since they are what they are, it makes him easier to dislike.  And I'm not talking about you in particular but there has been remarks made about him over the years and how he leans politically, as if that's of any kind of importance to stewarding the Orioles franchise.

I don't care if he wants to talk to the media or doesn't want to talk to the media.  I will say I don't think he's great with the media but if he wants to put his foot in his mouth every so often, that's fine.  

In regards to having a dust-up with Kevin Brown, I don't believe we're getting the full story here.  

[Sports Guy]

14 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

See, these are things I don't care about.  

I don't care about his political leanings at all or what he does with the Governor.  I have no doubt in my mind that if JA's political leanings were a 180 from where they currently are, some people wouldn't have much of an issue with him...but since they are what they are, it makes him easier to dislike.  And I'm not talking about you in particular but there has been remarks made about him over the years and how he leans politically, as if that's of any kind of importance to stewarding the Orioles franchise.

I don't care if he wants to talk to the media or doesn't want to talk to the media.  I will say I don't think he's great with the media but if he wants to put his foot in his mouth every so often, that's fine.  

In regards to having a dust-up with Kevin Brown, I don't believe we're getting the full story here.  

His politics make him a lot easier to dislike but I didn’t like him or want him as the owner before I knew his politics.

I saw how screwed up him and his minions were when I worked for the Os 20+ years ago, so this is nothing new to me.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Sports Guy

[ThisIsBirdland]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

See, these are things I don't care about.  

I don't care about his political leanings at all or what he does with the Governor.  I have no doubt in my mind that if JA's political leanings were a 180 from where they currently are, some people wouldn't have much of an issue with him...but since they are what they are, it makes him easier to dislike.  And I'm not talking about you in particular but there has been remarks made about him over the years and how he leans politically, as if that's of any kind of importance to stewarding the Orioles franchise.

I don't care if he wants to talk to the media or doesn't want to talk to the media.  I will say I don't think he's great with the media but if he wants to put his foot in his mouth every so often, that's fine.  

In regards to having a dust-up with Kevin Brown, I don't believe we're getting the full story here.  

Sorry I didn't clarify this part very well. I could care less about these issues too (politics, media) in isolation.

My concern is they're indicative that he's on an escalating ego trip that'll eventually have him running off anyone who will easily offend him, just like his father. This could start as something lowkey like a play-by-play guy, but evolve into something more significant down the line like Elias, Hyde, or a prominent player. 

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

His politics make him a lot easier to dislike but I didn’t like him or want hiM as the owner before I know his politics.

I saw how screwed up him And his minions were when I worked for the Os 20+ years ago, so this is nothing new to me.

I know we're all just like we were 20 years ago.  

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I know we're all just like we were 20 years ago.  

I know I’m much more gentler and milder.

[Tony-OH]

So here's what I found out:

Yes, this is 100% true including the statement that got him suspended.
Lots of folks are not happy over this.
KB was starting to pick up more and more national assignments
No one seems to know the length of the suspension or when Angelos will lift it so basically it is indefinite

My take:

Pretty ridiculous, but not out of the norm for an Angelos. I'm a bit surprised that Ben McDonald seemed to be covering for the organization on twitter when he said this had to do with scheduling, nothing else. I wonder if Brown starting to get national gigs was rubbing Angelos wrong and this was just something he could "put a shot over the bow". I have to imagine that a young, good announcer like Brown will be wanted this offseason so regardless of whether he comes back this year or not, have to think the Angelos' just ran another real good announcer out the door. 

This has been known by a lot of people since he Tampa series, and is just getting out now. Angelos will either double down now that it's out, or he'll put Brown back on the air under a gag order to not discuss anything. 

All I know is this probably means more Melanie Newman in the booth and that's not a good thing for Orioles fans. Even in a great year like this, never doubt an Angelos to stick himself into the fray. With the Orioles winning, Angelos has started to climb out of his hole since it's cool to be an Orioles fan once again. 

Even though I don't want to think about the future here past this season, these kinds of acts do make me fearful that Elias at some point will get another opportunity and bolt, especially if the Orioles win a World Series. Who would want to work for an owner that does stuff like this? 

 

 

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I know I’m much more gentler and milder.

You are!  Never thought I'd see the day.

[Hallas]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I know I’m much more gentler and milder.

You are.  Though that's like saying an alligator is less dangerous than a grizzly bear.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Hallas