The Orioles Winning The World Series Would be Unprecedented In Modern Baseball History

[SteveA]

21 minutes ago, Frobby said:

That’s got nothing to do with whether the Orioles will win. 

And, we don’t really know what model the Orioles are going to follow.  We won’t know that until 3-4 years from now when our top producers start to get expensive.  The low payroll now is mostly a function of the fact that our best players are pre-Arb or in the early stages of arbitration.  That won’t be the case a few years from now, unless Elias starts trading everyone away when they reach Arb 2 or so.   That hasn’t been put to the test yet.  
 

Well, we do seem to know that one model they aren't following is locking up young talent in their first or second year in the majors or even before they reach the majors (a'la Wander Franco, Corbin Carroll, etc).   We won't have to wait 3 or 4 years to know whether the Orioles are following that particular strategy.   While it hasn't yet been proven they won't, early returns do not look good.

[brucewayne]

8 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Well, we do seem to know that one model they aren't following is locking up young talent in their first or second year in the majors or even before they reach the majors (a'la Wander Franco, Corbin Carroll, etc).   We won't have to wait 3 or 4 years to know whether the Orioles are following that particular strategy.   While it hasn't yet been proven they won't, early returns do not look good.

Adley is a catcher and you have to be skeptical about giving large contracts to catchers in their 30s. The body can only take so much abuse. Gunnar is a Boras client and Boras clients are Patrick Bateman corporatists. They don't take anything less than full market value. For what it's worth Holliday is a Boras client as well. What would you have the Os do here? Players hire agents who best represent their interests. If money is your overwhelming #1 priority you get the best ambulance chaser you can find. 

[Jim'sKid26]

One critical component in the calculus will be the international player development system. It has to produce talent for the O's to compete consistently when they don't draft at the top of the table. Elias has spoken of a consistent pipeline of talent. That will need to come from all facets of player development. International prospects are generally less expensive but much less reliable in their development. They need to start hitting on their Latin American prospects soon.

[Frobby]

Just now, Jim'sKid26 said:

One critical component in the calculus will be the international player development system. It has to produce talent for the O's to compete consistently when they don't draft at the top of the table. Elias has spoken of a consistent pipeline of talent. That will need to come from all facets of player development. International prospects are generally less expensive but much less reliable in their development. They need to start hitting on their Latin American prospects soon.

Sammy Basallo says hi.  Just give him another 2 years or so to reach the majors.  

[OnlyOneOriole]

So many pro sports are dependent on who gets hot in the playoffs.  It is very hit or miss.

Baseball depends on pitching and hitting.

Football on a hot QB. of defense.

Hockey a hot goaltender.

The only real sport that is pretty pure to form is NBA basketball.  Normally the best team wins.  Regardless of hot streaks. 

[Moose Milligan]

The obsession with “the model” the Orioles are supposedly going to choose is one of the stranger obsessions on here. 
 

It’s my hope that Elias does whatever he thinks is in the best interest of the franchise no matter what.  In that light, there are no models. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I didn’t say you were wrong. I just said the horse is dead. 
 

I hope you don’t think you’re original by pointing to the A’s and Rays as evidence, too.

I'm sure if we give $600M to John Angelos and let him develop Camden Crossing he'll open up his wallet to spend on payroll.

 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

5 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

So many pro sports are dependent on who gets hot in the playoffs.  It is very hit or miss.

Baseball depends on pitching and hitting.

Football on a hot QB. of defense.

Hockey a hot goaltender.

The only real sport that is pretty pure to form is NBA basketball.  Normally the best team wins.  Regardless of hot streaks. 

And injuries to a key player(s) in September can doom a team that was favored to win the pennant.

[baltfan]

2 hours ago, waroriole said:

Houston is probably the toughest AL team we could face. I’m thinking it’s a good chance they’re the #2 seed. 

I agree with this.  They have the toughest set of proven playoff hitters and their bullpen is also solid.  Ironically, I don’t find their mine up to be that deep but the first four are really scary and seem to always be up when it matters. 

[btdart20]

3 hours ago, brucewayne said:

Have no idea. Teams that win the World Series tend to win bidding wars for pitching. 

Teams who win the World Series tend to score more runs than they give up too.  Cliche a cliche

[baltfan]

2 hours ago, SteveA said:

Well, we do seem to know that one model they aren't following is locking up young talent in their first or second year in the majors or even before they reach the majors (a'la Wander Franco, Corbin Carroll, etc).   We won't have to wait 3 or 4 years to know whether the Orioles are following that particular strategy.   While it hasn't yet been proven they won't, early returns do not look good.

There is no way to know if this is true.  We don’t know that Adley is willing to sign an extension under any circumstances.  Given his age, he may prefer to hit free agency as young as possible.  As for Gunnar, we don’t know his thoughts but Boras being his agent tells you in general that he is looking to maximize his compensation.  That generally is done through hitting free agency as soon as possible. 

one possible helpful thing is these guys are supposedly almost abnormally close.  Apparently the parents do things together almost like Little League parents. Maybe that creates an opening to keep to keep them all together somewhat like the Yankees did with Jeter et al.  Of course, it won’t necessarily be cheap but maybe you get some slight discounts.   If they are really good, fans will come. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, baltfan said:

There is no way to know if this is true.  We don’t know that Adley is willing to sign an extension under any circumstances.  Given his age, he may prefer to hit free agency as young as possible.  As for Gunnar, we don’t know his thoughts but Boras being his agent tells you in general that he is looking to maximize his compensation.  That generally is done through hitting free agency as soon as possible. 

one possible helpful thing is these guys are supposedly almost abnormally close.  Apparently the parents do things together almost like Little League parents. Maybe that creates an opening to keep to keep them all together somewhat like the Yankees did with Jeter et al.  Of course, it won’t necessarily be cheap but maybe you get some slight discounts.   If they are really good, fans will come. 

Should have extended Gunnar before he moved to Boras.

[baltfan]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Should have extended Gunnar before he moved to Boras.

When did he switch?

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, baltfan said:

When did he switch?

 

[baltfan]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

He wasn’t a top 50 prospect at that point and in the minors.  I can’t think of the precedent for signing a guy like that to an extension.