Worried about our pitching.

[Sports Guy]

11 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Bradish --

3.19 ERA

2.9 rWAR

1.9 fWAR

3.2 RA9-WAR

 

Gibson

4.89 ERA

0.7 rWAR

2.3 fWAR

1.3 RA9-WAR

 

fWAR for pitching sucks.

Not really…and another thing I recently learned about fWAR is that they give credit for IFFB. I like that. 

[Chavez Ravine]

Pitching is fickle in all sorts of ways. The dudes that get you through the post season are often not the same exact ones that got you there. I just, like, roll with it.

[dystopia]

30 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Not really…and another thing I recently learned about fWAR is that they give credit for IFFB. I like that. 

In a must win game I’d rather start Bradish than Gibson and I think everyone on here would too.  

[Sports Guy]

17 minutes ago, dystopia said:

In a must win game I’d rather start Bradish than Gibson and I think everyone on here would too.  

Ehh, I can see taking the vet who has been in that situation before.

Their statcast and advanced stats aren’t that far off from each other.

That said, just because you feel that way doesn’t mean fWAR does a poor job of evaluating pitchers. 
 

Either way, it’s close and not really anything to make a fuss over.

[dystopia]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Ehh, I can see taking the vet who has been in that situation before.

Their statcast and advanced stats aren’t that far off from each other.

That said, just because you feel that way doesn’t mean fWAR does a poor job of evaluating pitchers. 
 

Either way, it’s close and not really anything to make a fuss over.

That's fair but that's not a stat-based decision, it's an experience-based one.

[Sports Guy]

20 minutes ago, dystopia said:

That's fair but that's not a stat-based decision, it's an experience-based one.

Sure..but even stat based, Bradish doesn’t have some large advantage outside of ERA and that doesn’t tell much of the story.

[eddie83]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

I see no reason to think too hard about who our starters would be in a playoff series.  There’s a lot of baseball to play before then.  Let’s see who’s pitching we’ll come tournament time. 

This is where I am. It’s all about who is healthy and who is available in October. 
 

I do think Wells and Means have the potential to be big in October.

[dystopia]

37 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Sure..but even stat based, Bradish doesn’t have some large advantage outside of ERA and that doesn’t tell much of the story.

I’d buy that if it were like a half run, maybe full run difference… but when you’re talking almost 2 full runs, it becomes harder for fWAR to be credible here. 

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, dystopia said:

I’d buy that if it were like a half run, maybe full run difference… but when you’re talking almost 2 full runs, it becomes harder for fWAR to be credible here. 

Well, first of all, that gets really skewed after yesterday.

Secondly, ERA depends on so many factors outside of the pitchers power. fWAR relies a lot on FIP and FIP focuses on the things that pitchers have more power over and those stats, along with statcast stats and things like that show these 2 pitchers to not be as far apart as you think.

Now, I prefer Bradish too because I think his tough will play up better and of course, he has age on his side but for one big start during this season, I don’t think we have anyone that is a definite pick over anyone else…not as we talk today.

[gangsta gangsta]

4 hours ago, Pickles said:

He's the defacto number one.  I know his stats aren't sterling, but part of that is because of the workload they  put on him.  We saw it last night.  They'll leave him out there to eat innings and give up runs in ways they wouldn't with anybody else.

I don't know exactly how they'll structure their rotation, and scheduling could play a huge part, but I think my point is dead on: He's more likely to start Game 1 than be taken out of the rotation.

That's because he's old and not part of our future plans. If we throw his arm out in the process then no harm no foul. 

Jack F. and Kyle B are locks for the playoff rotation. If Grayson can keep up the pace he's been on since his return, he would be the top candidate for the 3rd slot. If not its Dean by default. I like Gibson but he was brought in to play the veteran leadership/innings eater role, not to put the ball in his hands in the most crucial moment. At this point he has not done enough to prove otherwise.

[OnlyOneOriole]

Great win.  Bullpen came through bigtime.

 

Nice to see. 

 

Another win where they maybe shouldn't have with the way Seattle's pitcher was dealing but this team has a knack for doing that.

Edited August 13, 2023 by OnlyOneOriole

[Malike]

Worried about the pitching? Cole Irvin - hold my monkey wrench.