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2 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

 

Is it not plausible that going from Felix to not Felix is the difference in swinging one game in the ninth inning in the playoffs? Is it not plausible that one game in the playoffs leads to being eliminated?

I don't think a metric like WAR tells the whole story here. That's a fine indicator over the course of many games. But in the playoffs, if the closer blows it, the game is over. There's no time within the game or possibly even the series or adjust. I understand this is a squishy thought, but if McCann allows a passed ball in the third inning that Adley wouldn't have, there's a way to recover from that. No such case if the closer hangs a breaking ball.

Plus I would argue the relevance of a closer increases in the playoffs. Unlike the regular season, they can theoretically appear in every game. And the competitive balance is typically tighter in the playoffs, so you would expect more close games that beget their appearing.

Even if you don't think he's the most valuable player, he's not too far down the list.

Look at all the previous World Series winners and show me the ones where their most valuable player was their closer. 

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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Look at all the previous World Series winners and show me the ones where their most valuable player was their closer. 

A better experiment would be to name the closer on the last 10 world series winners right now without looking. You know that would end badly if a person had to answer without using Google. I'm sure in 5 minutes or whatever, someone will have the list and act like they knew it.

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Just now, Malike said:

A better experiment would be to name the closer on the last 10 world series winners right now without looking. You know that would end badly if a person had to answer without using Google. I'm sure in 5 minutes or whatever, someone will have the list and act like they knew it.

Yeah. Or they’ll say a team couldn’t win the World Series because their closer went down. 
 

I get that Felix is a weapon but it’s not like we just lost Bradish, Gunnar, Adley or Cedric. We lost a guy who only has value when we’re ahead in the 8th or 9th. 
 

No one can replace the K rate, that’s exceptional. But to act like we can’t find someone else who can’t slam the door in the 9th is ignorant. 

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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Look at all the previous World Series winners and show me the ones where their most valuable player was their closer. 

The issue with losing Bautista is going to be bullpen depth. Now someone like Cano pitches the ninth and now you're forcing DL Hall, Webb or to be determined to pitch high leverage situations in Cano's place.

I'm thinking about Means as closer or late innings reliever at this point or Wells. I just hope they don't get the idea to try out Fujinami in save situations.

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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Look at all the previous World Series winners and show me the ones where their most valuable player was their closer. 

Mariano Rivera? Hell... May not have been a World Series winner, but Holland, Davis and Herrera sure dominated the O's in 2014. They gave up like 1 earned run in 14.2 innings. 

Top flight relievers shorten games in the postseason. And our bullpen just suffered the worst setback it could have suffered. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Malike said:

A better experiment would be to name the closer on the last 10 world series winners right now without looking. You know that would end badly if a person had to answer without using Google. I'm sure in 5 minutes or whatever, someone will have the list and act like they knew it.

In fairness, I'd have hard time naming the last 10 World Series winners without Google.  

 

And why do I keep getting a window for apartments.com opening whenever I click the quote button?

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I'd like to add we do not have more 1 run wins than anyone else, also. Miami 27-11, Cincinatti 27-25, Milwaukee 26-11, Baltimore 23-11. Philadelphia 23-18.

As a percentage we're tied for third.  Which still doesn't fix the garbage you tried to sell with an out of context stat.  

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1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

The issue with losing Bautista is going to be bullpen depth. Now someone like Cano pitches the ninth and now you're forcing DL Hall, Webb or to be determined to pitch high leverage situations in Cano's place.

I'm thinking about Means as closer or late innings reliever at this point or Wells. I just hope they don't get the idea to try out Fujinami in save situations.

Like two weeks ago, wasn't half the forum freaked out about how Cano had lost it and sucked?

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