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3 hours ago, dystopia said:

Lopez shouldn't be given any high leverage situations right now. Give the Orioles' pitching coaches time to work with him first. I don't know why Hyde insists on throwing reclamation projects into the fire right away. 

These guys need to do their jobs.  And that's what being a baseball relief pitcher is...I'm sure they'd all like to come into a clean inning. But they also know they might inherit a tough situation.  These guys don't get to pick and choose what leverage situations they get to enter into and Hyde has to work with what he's got in regards to availability.  

Lopez is a veteran.  He's been in high leverage situations before, he'll be in high leverage situations again...it's not his first rodeo.  

This board is weird.  One second they want to throw youngsters to the wolves and then the next minute people want to baby veterans who might be too fragile for a high leverage situation because they might be too fragile for a high leverage situation.  

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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

These guys need to do their jobs.  And that's what being a baseball relief pitcher is...I'm sure they'd all like to come into a clean inning. But they also know they might inherit a tough situation.  These guys don't get to pick and choose what leverage situations they get to enter into and Hyde has to work with what he's got in regards to availability.  

Lopez is a veteran.  He's been in high leverage situations before, he'll be in high leverage situations again...it's not his first rodeo.  

This board is weird.  One second they want to throw youngsters to the wolves and then the next minute people want to baby veterans who might be too fragile for a high leverage situation because they might be too fragile for a high leverage situation.  

Lopez has been bad all year. Sure he’s a vet but he’s not good. 

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3 minutes ago, The B&G said:

Who do we trust more right now Krehbiel or Lopez?

Neither really in 8th or 9th … so the real issue is how often do our starters get us in the situation Hyde was in..where we have no better other options. 
My working BP trust list (right now and recently) 3 tiers of trust ..  high, pretty good, not too high 

1/2  Cano, Coulombe

3/4/5/6 Webb, Perez , Fuji , Hall

7/8 Krehbiel, Lopez 

 

Josh Hader would have looked so good lol 

 

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5 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Neither really in 8th or 9th … so the real issue is how often do our starters get us in the situation Hyde was in..where we have no better other options. 
My working BP trust list (right now and recently) 3 tiers of trust ..  high, pretty good, not too high 

1/2  Cano, Coulombe

3/4/5/6 Webb, Perez , Fuji , Hall

7/8 Krehbiel, Lopez 

 

Josh Hader would have looked so good lol 

 

Lol yeah, if either of them are throwing in the 8th or 9th, we're in big trouble. I hope Fuji can continue the streak he's on, his stats over the last 7 games are really nice

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13 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Neither really in 8th or 9th … so the real issue is how often do our starters get us in the situation Hyde was in..where we have no better other options. 
My working BP trust list (right now and recently) 3 tiers of trust ..  high, pretty good, not too high 

1/2  Cano, Coulombe

3/4/5/6 Webb, Perez , Fuji , Hall

7/8 Krehbiel, Lopez 

 

Josh Hader would have looked so good lol 

 

For me, Perez is working his way up the list.  He’s looked really good for nearly two months, and remember, he was a go-to 8th inning guy last year.  If his stuff is working, he can handle the pressure.  

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40 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

These guys need to do their jobs.  And that's what being a baseball relief pitcher is...I'm sure they'd all like to come into a clean inning. But they also know they might inherit a tough situation.  These guys don't get to pick and choose what leverage situations they get to enter into and Hyde has to work with what he's got in regards to availability.  

Lopez is a veteran.  He's been in high leverage situations before, he'll be in high leverage situations again...it's not his first rodeo.  

This board is weird.  One second they want to throw youngsters to the wolves and then the next minute people want to baby veterans who might be too fragile for a high leverage situation because they might be too fragile for a high leverage situation.  

There is no "they" or like-minded set of "people." Well, maybe on a few issues, like Brooks, Earl, Cito, Lew Ford and John Angelos.

Otherwise, there are lots of posters with lots of opinions about (among other things) how the Orioles can best position themselves to win more games. Those opinions often are all over the place. That's what makes it fun (for me, anyway).

It also makes it important to avoid name-calling and dismissal of the opinions of those we think--or even know--don't know what they're talking about. My opinion, anyway. You're all free to disagree.

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51 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Lopez has been bad all year. Sure he’s a vet but he’s not good. 

Not quite all year. The first month of the season he started off on a roll.

13 G; 0.00 ERA; 0.583 WHIP; 10.0 K/BB; 2 saves

Many O's fans (here an more broadly) were absolutely saying that we could use a pitcher like that and Elias was bad for having dealt him.

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44 minutes ago, Frobby said:

For me, Perez is working his way up the list.  He’s looked really good for nearly two months, and remember, he was a go-to 8th inning guy last year.  If his stuff is working, he can handle the pressure.  

Yes … agreed … on second thought i probably should have him  3rd and moving up 

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On 9/6/2023 at 3:51 PM, ScGO's said:

Jorge lopez is not the answer at the back of the bullpen

I almost wonder if they shouldn't throw flaherty in the closer role 

Flaherty?????? You must be nuts. The guy is way too hittable.

We don't have an answer for closer right now. The league seems to have figured out Cano (especially lefties). If I had to pick one I'd pick Fuji right but that could change any second.

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