Jump to content

Why Kyle Gibson might be resigned

RZNJ

By RZNJ
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

RZNJ Hangout Grand Counsel

RZNJ

Posted
Posted

192 innings.    He’s not great but he wasn’t bad and he provided what they wanted and needed.    On a staff where the top 3 is probably Bradish, GRod, and Means,  he still slots in along with Kremer for a stable 4-5.    This would allow Irvin to be a long man and keep Wells and Hall in the pen.   It also requires no prospects and a short term financial commitment.   I know everyone wants that #1 or #2 starter but I don’t see it happening.   We would still be going into next season with a stronger rotation than 2022 considering GRod being over his growing pains and Means being available from the start.   This still allows for an in season acquisition (not that I would get my hopes up).   
 

 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 141
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Frobby
Frobby

I think people are so used to the Orioles having mediocre to bad starting pitching, they tend to underappreciate what our rotation did this year.   They were 11th of 30 teams in ERA, 6th in innings pi

Sports Guy
Sports Guy
Just Regular
Just Regular

Elias' taste for a guy like this this winter is kind of a clue what he thinks of McDermott and Povich. They are already old.     It is just a byproduct of pitching development these days no rooki

Spy Fox Hangout Veteran Council

Spy Fox

Posted
Posted

I'm thankful for those 192 innings and veteran leadership from Gibson this year. 

But, I don't think we need to go this route for next year. Even if they don't acquire a higher shelf SP, we can replace those innings with better pitchers just using our internal options and acquiring a couple relievers. I think Elias will agree. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
oriole Veteran All-Star

oriole

Posted
Posted

Hell no, they should be adding towards the top of the rotation, not the bottom. Kremer should be rotation depth, not Irvin. 
 

2 front line starters are necessary IMO. Every single team in the East will take a step forward, now is not the time to get complacent just because the big spenders had down years and the O’s lucked out on avoiding major injuries for the most part. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
7Mo Major Leaguer

7Mo

Posted
Posted

192 innings certainly has value. But that's spending roughly $10M to tell Irvin, Wells and DL Hall that they're likely in the bullpen, where they don't want to be. 

I think they bring in a guy for significantly less than $10M who they think they can fix who could start, but without the commitment so there's a fair competition between that signee and the 3 above. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
EricK AA

EricK

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

192 innings.    He’s not great but he wasn’t bad and he provided what they wanted and needed.    On a staff where the top 3 is probably Bradish, GRod, and Means,  he still slots in along with Kremer for a stable 4-5.    This would allow Irvin to be a long man and keep Wells and Hall in the pen.   It also requires no prospects and a short term financial commitment.   I know everyone wants that #1 or #2 starter but I don’t see it happening.   We would still be going into next season with a stronger rotation than 2022 considering GRod being over his growing pains and Means being available from the start.   This still allows for an in season acquisition (not that I would get my hopes up).   
 

 

If it is another one-year deal at $10M (or a little more), I'd do it.  I think we'll be risk averse as to long-term deals, especially for pitchers.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
drjohnnyfever1 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

drjohnnyfever1

Posted
Posted

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

Can_of_corn

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

Because some of us don't think he can repeat that level of performance.

He wasn't exactly good this year, he was alright and he did throw a nice amount of innings but if he slips even a little he's a 5+ ERA guy that pulls the team down.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
Posted
26 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

192 innings certainly has value. But that's spending roughly $10M to tell Irvin, Wells and DL Hall that they're likely in the bullpen, where they don't want to be. 

I think they bring in a guy for significantly less than $10M who they think they can fix who could start, but without the commitment so there's a fair competition between that signee and the 3 above. 

I agree with this.  Some of us value starters on what they have done.    I don't think that is what Elias/Sig/Holt do.   The evaluate pitcher's stuff and how they think they can add, subtract or improve pitches to make pitcher better. 

It could be a FA or a trade that they think they can acquire for reasonable salary but I think it would be someone we don't expect.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
24fps Hangout Grand Counsel

24fps

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

I'm a big fan of what Gibson gave the O's in 2023, but the players put John Angelos on notice that it's time for him to make his contribution to the team's continual improvement.  Is that a guarantee of anything?  Of course not, but even in a continued state of neglect by ownership, I think that there are going to be better options available, either by trade or in FA, that will be affordable.  Personally, I think there will be a bump of at least $20 million in payroll for 2024.  It ought to be $40-50 million.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

He does nothing to help us in October and will be a year older. At some point we are actually going to have to sign good players if we want to win a World Series or at least make a deep run.

The O's have five strong starters now.   Bradish and GRod probably improve next season.  Means, if things go right, will return to what he was but be better because he has a better team supporting him.   Kremer IMO is pretty close to his ceiling but that is really very good when I look as his last 5 month of the regular season.

Wells is very good for 100+ innings.   What Holt and company need to do is make that 100+ inning at the end of he season instead of the beginning.

And I think they will add someone that can start.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • SteveA
      Looks like the Detroit Tigers

      By SteveA · Posted

      Another possibility: If you win game 1, maybe you don't ptich Eflin in Game 2 and try to win Game 2 without using him.   I mean, worst that can happen is you lose and have Eflin for game 3 anyway.   So you won't lose the wild card series without pitching your two best. But you COULD win the wild card series without your two best, and then you would have Eflin and Burnes lined up for games 1 and 2 in Cleveland
    • LookitsPuck
      Can Cowser still win Rookie of The Year over Gil/Wells ?

      By LookitsPuck · Posted

      I like Law a lot, but that is a beyond asinine comment about not playing every day on a playoff team. You know how many playoff teams would slot him in the lineup immediately every game? Answer: the large majority. The Yankees would take Cowser over Verdugo The Tigers might not put him in over Greene/Meadows/Carpenter, but they’d DH him over their options. Cowser would start over every outfielder for the Royals, IMHO. He’d start over Meyers and Dubon for the Astros. The Guardians would probably start him over anybody not named Kwan in the OF, tbh.  I can keep going.
    • LookitsPuck
      Can Cowser still win Rookie of The Year over Gil/Wells ?

      By LookitsPuck · Posted

      Even more of a reason to like FG over BBref,  tbh. Thanks, didn’t realize they switched this year. My point re: FIP is that I rather prefer it over RA/9, not to say it’s perfect. RA/9 treats all runs allowed by a pitcher the same regardless of them being earned or unearned. So, a pitcher on a team with a terrible defense is going to be judged much more harshly than somebody that pitches on a top tier defense. Not to mention the bullpen taking over mid inning dilemma. The funny thing is in your example re: FIP, RA/9 would have the first pitcher but love the second. Either way, these stats, like nearly all single solitary stats, aren’t best taken alone.  For your example, let’s say Pitcher A allowed weak contact and the defenders just had poor range, poor arms, whatever, but in the second example the defenders had great range and great arms making amazing plays to prevent any damage…then what?  Anyways, give me FIP over RA/9 was my point. But if you want to truly assess a pitcher, you’re going to need a few complimentary stats to go along with it.  
    • Just Regular
      Can Cowser still win Rookie of The Year over Gil/Wells ?

      By Just Regular · Posted

      Really zooming the microscope in on one game with Tarik Skubal, would you consider batting Austin Slater 3rd or 4th to basically pinch hit in the 1st inning, and then replace him in LF with Cowser in the top of the 2nd inning. A tactic that might look good to the SIGBOT but could freak out actual ballplayers.
    • Warehouse
      Looks like the Detroit Tigers

      By Warehouse · Posted

      It would make sense. I think there are four possibilities for not announcing Eflin yet: 1. It’s going to be Eflin, we’re just waiting to announce to make it harder for Tigers/Royals to prepare. 2. Hyde and FO are discussing whether to slot Eflin for game 3 to possibly save him for ALDS game 1. 3. Hyde and FO are discussing a possible opener strategy for game 2. 4. Eflin has some minor aches/pains/soreness so we’re delaying the announcement to make sure he will be healthy enough. 
    • Frobby
      2024 Ongoing Lineup Thread

      By Frobby · Posted

      I can see the arguments for and against.  Gunnar may have had an opinion.  
    • Baseball fandom
      9/29 Game 162 vs Twins. End of regular season

      By Baseball fandom · Posted

      I know I've been a Oriole critic these last few months but many of us have and deservedly so but congrats are really in order for a team that was decimated with injuries especially the pitching staff and still found a way to 90 wins and the playoffs. The first Orioles team with back to back 90 plus wins since the 1982, 1983  teams. Wow.  That's hard to believe. Also back to back playoff teams something the Machado, Jones, Markakis and Wieters led teams couldn't even pull off.  

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...