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Said this in the duplicate thread on this guy, but FWIW Devil Rays folks were talking last night like they expect him in their uniform, but not until Aug. 11. Possibly Casey Fossum going the other way, or just designated. He is not officially on waivers yet as of last night so they have not officially put in a claim, but it appears they are headed that way.

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Said this in the duplicate thread on this guy, but FWIW Devil Rays folks were talking last night like they expect him in their uniform, but not until Aug. 11. Possibly Casey Fossum going the other way, or just designated. He is not officially on waivers yet as of last night so they have not officially put in a claim, but it appears they are headed that way.

There's not much incentive to trade for a guy that's DFA'd after 7/31. It's not like they need salary help with him (he's makes under 1M). I'm not even sure why the Orioles bothered to call CLE about this.

OTOH, there's not much incentive for CLE to take back a guy from anyone else for him.

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Orioles Interested In Fernando Cabrera

The Indians have ten days to waive, trade, or release 25 year-old reliever Fernando Cabrera. By my count they'll need to do something by Friday. The best option would be to work out a trade, and the Orioles called to inquire.

The O's would have to put Cabrera on the 25-man roster, or else try to pass Cabrera through waivers themselves. It would make more sense to carry Cabrera than Paul Shuey, so this shouldn't be a problem.

Source: www.mlbtraderumors.com

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Almost every team in baseball should be interested in this guy. Would have been a good move before the waiver deadline, instead it will be up to Tampa (and KC, Texas, and maybe the White Sox for that matter) to pass on him. And I don't see that happening.

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FYI Cabrera was released today after the Indians were unable to agree upon a deal with the team who claimed him. So he is free to sign with anyone.

Shouldn't he have passed through normal waivers (and not trade waivers as well?)

I'm not expert on things, but I'd like to this I have some idea how baseball works. And normally with a DFA, you either trade, waive, or release a player. Obviously any player traded now has to pass through the trade waivers first. But if that doesn't work out, shouldn't he go through normal waivers next? I didn't think you could outright release players unless they had enough service time (which Cabrera doesn't) or they cleared waivers.

Why this team wouldn't take Cabrera over Bell or Shuey or whoever would be beyond me. I hope they get him.

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That is not my understanding. As soon ashe was claimed off of trade waivers, the Indians could only talk to that team. When they could not reach a deal with that team, releasing him or letting him go to that team were their only two options.

You may be right, there may be some clause about pulling a guy off trade waivers and keeping him on the roster. Maybe sending Cleveland Gomez help facilitate Clevelan's choice (i.e. don't let so and so team have him) :) Probably not, but hey at least Gomez can be of some use in my mind!

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When you DFA guy, by my understanding, you have 10 days to either trade him, release him, or pass him through waivers in order to keep him in the system and send him down. Since we are after July 31, a trade would also require waivers. So the net effect is that they either had to pass him through waivers (which they were unable to do) or release him. They were unable to work out a deal with the team that claimed him, so their choice was to hand him to that team or give him his freedom to go where he wants. They chose B.

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When you DFA guy, by my understanding, you have 10 days to either trade him, release him, or pass him through waivers in order to keep him in the system and send him down. Since we are after July 31, a trade would also require waivers. So the net effect is that they either had to pass him through waivers (which they were unable to do) or release him. They were unable to work out a deal with the team that claimed him, so their choice was to hand him to that team or give him his freedom to go where he wants. They chose B.

So who can sign him now? I think I'm with you on the above explanation, but what happens now? Is he immediately a FA?

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