Bowden top 40 FA list

[Sports Guy]

He puts the Os as potential fits for Montgomery, Nola, Gray, ERod, Giolito, Heaney and Gibson.

He has Montgomery, ERod and Nola getting 5 years, Gray 3 years and the rest 1-2 year deals.

 

[Frobby]

I’m not holding my breath on any of these.  

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m not holding my breath on any of these.  

Definitely not anyone for 5 years.

Gray makes a lot of sense imo. Bowden has 3/64. Would Os pay that much?

[Jim'sKid26]

Giolito might be in the JA induced price range for the O's. Of course you have to believe you can fix him. He was horrible in Anaheim (ironically near home) and Chicago. If the thought process is that he gets a bit of the Kyle Bradish fix and starts throwing 2 seam FBs instead of 4 seamers or they can apply what ever they did to Grayson to improve the FB command, he could get back to the form he had in 2019-2021 when he got votes for the CYA.

Bleacher Report has him getting either 1/$15M or three years at $19 million per year, plus $21.5 million club options (with $3 million buyouts) for each of 2027 and 2028, making this a three-year, $60 million contract that could be worth up to five years, $100 million. I think that way too rich for a guy who led the AL in HRs allowed (40!) while allowing 24 home runs in his final 72 innings pitched yielding a 7.13 ERA. I'm thinking more of a 2 year deal with 2 options. Say 2/$32M with incentivized player options at $18M and $20M. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10094937-projecting-the-price-tags-for-top-mlb-free-agents-of-2023-2024-class

 

 

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[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, Jim'sKid26 said:

Giolito might be in the JA induced price range for the O's. Of course you have to believe you can fix him. He was horrible in Anaheim (ironically near home) and Chicago. If the thought process is that he gets a bit of the Kyle Bradish fix and starts throwing 2 seam FBs instead of 4 seamers or they can apply what ever they did to Grayson to improve the FB command, he could get back to the form he had in 2019-2021 when he got votes for the CYA.

Bleacher Report has him getting either 1/$15M or three years at $19 million per year, plus $21.5 million club options (with $3 million buyouts) for each of 2027 and 2028, making this a three-year, $60 million contract that could be worth up to five years, $100 million. I think that way too rich for a guy who led the AL in HRs allowed (40!) while allowing 24 home runs in his final 72 innings pitched yielding a 7.13 ERA. I'm thinking more of a 2 year deal with 2 options. Say 2/$32M with incentivized player options at $18M and $20M. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10094937-projecting-the-price-tags-for-top-mlb-free-agents-of-2023-2024-class

 

 

I would much rather resign Gibson than sign Giolito, especially to a multi year contract. 

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Definitely not anyone for 5 years.

Gray makes a lot of sense imo. Bowden has 3/64. Would Os pay that much?

The magic 8 ball says : NO

[Jim'sKid26]

44 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I would much rather resign Gibson than sign Giolito, especially to a multi year contract. 

I would enjoy reading your reasoning for such a statement. 

To me, Giolito has much more potential upside than Gibson. But also may not be fixable. The large caveat for me if whether he can pitch like he did in 2019-2021. He's going to be 30 on July 14th. He's averaged 31.5 GS and 175 IP over the last 3 years. He's as durable as Gibson and a lot younger.

[oriole]

Montgomery makes too much sense unless the O’s want to be cheap. Yes, I’m aware that they’re going to be cheap  thus he won’t be signed. But he’s a consistent left hander that has done it in this division. 
 

 

[Moose Milligan]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

 

Gray makes a lot of sense imo. Bowden has 3/64. Would Os pay that much?

You're a funny guy, SG!  Asking questions you already know the answers to!

[Just Regular]

I do think Lucas Giolito is an interesting possible extension of the Lyles-Gibson legacy.    He has the long health track record of the first two.

He'd be a higher upside get for Elias rebuilding the Baltimore brand for Arms.    Lyles a D, Gibson a C, Giolito B upside.     Of course we're more likely to value bid as the Player is at a low point in the ebb and flow of their career.

It'll also be interesting to see if Kyle Gibson moves early-ish when the market opens.     The Elias marketing pitch to better pitchers will be enhanced if he can boast I got Kyle Gibson ~$30mm after getting Jordan Lyles $17mm.

Giolito for me is moldier but still has some of that Gerrit thing where I wonder if its a talented Arm that still hasn't been with an Org that knows how to get the most out of him.     His one spike year I recall reports he rebuilt himself with his high school coach or some such, which I interpret also as the White Sox being somewhat intellectually bankrupt, at least as far as how it seemed to him that winter.

I don't expect we'll Buy High against the market, so have generally removed Jordan Montgomery from the mental list.    His financial planner has been much too happy the last 1-2 months for Angelos' organization.

[Jim'sKid26]

#30 on this list is Jordan Hicks. 

What if the O's trade Santander and use his proposed salary plus a bit more to offer Hicks a 1/$14m pillow contract to close. If you want to add an option, fine. But if Bowden is speculating his likely contract is 3/$30 and he's 27 years old, why not bet on yourself and join a likely playoff team that needs a closer?

[baltfan]

I would rather get 7 years of Yamamoto for 217 than 5 years of Montgomery for 120+.  Yamamoto is 5 years younger

[RZNJ]

58 minutes ago, Jim'sKid26 said:

#30 on this list is Jordan Hicks. 

What if the O's trade Santander and use his proposed salary plus a bit more to offer Hicks a 1/$14m pillow contract to close. If you want to add an option, fine. But if Bowden is speculating his likely contract is 3/$30 and he's 27 years old, why not bet on yourself and join a likely playoff team that needs a closer?

Kimbrel is a better investment for one year.  

[RZNJ]

55 minutes ago, baltfan said:

I would rather get 7 years of Yamamoto for 217 than 5 years of Montgomery for 120+.  Yamamoto is 5 years younger

You should change your handle.  Any baltfan would know you’ll get neither.

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, baltfan said:

I would rather get 7 years of Yamamoto for 217 than 5 years of Montgomery for 120+.  Yamamoto is 5 years younger

You'll get another year of Gibson with an option and like it.