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I'm just catching up on this but we know how Elias and company share information outside of their inner circle. They don't. We've heard from players many times say they don't hear from the Orioles abo

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@Sports Guyis so prolific, he's the #3 poster on the Soxtalk thread despite joining on page 102 of 149. He's also the #1 poster in this thread, so potentially on track to be the #1 poster on both team

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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Do other sites, other than MLB, have Ortiz as a top 50 prospect?

MLBPipline has him at 87, No. 66 prospect at FanGraphs, No. 88 at Baseball America.

Still 2 top 100 prospects….Lin didn’t rate anywhere in a search. 4.28 1.2 WHIP K per IP at AA. pretty good prospect but no where near what the guy for the Sox posting here is expecting. I thin’ Sox fans are going to be disappointed 

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

MLBPipline has him at 87, No. 66 prospect at FanGraphs, No. 88 at Baseball America.

Still 2 top 100 prospects….Lin didn’t rate anywhere in a search. 4.28 1.2 WHIP K per IP at AA. pretty good prospect but no where near what the guy for the Sox posting here is expecting. I thin’ Sox fans are going to be disappointed 

I think the Fangraphs ranking (66) is from before the start of last season.

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18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

MLBPipline has him at 87, No. 66 prospect at FanGraphs, No. 88 at Baseball America.

Still 2 top 100 prospects….Lin didn’t rate anywhere in a search. 4.28 1.2 WHIP K per IP at AA. pretty good prospect but no where near what the guy for the Sox posting here is expecting. I thin’ Sox fans are going to be disappointed 

Ortiz was #63 on Baseball Americas most recent top 100, which shows a date of 9/12/23 on their site.

He’s #50 on MLB Pipeline.  Not sure what you’re looking at.

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/

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Ortiz was #63 on Baseball Americas most recent top 100, which shows a date of 9/12/23 on their site.

He’s #50 on MLB Pipeline.  Not sure what you’re looking at.

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/

Yeah …it was a blurb from MASn in April. So he’s elevated 

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A slick-fielding shortstop that can also play second and third base, Ortiz is ranked No. 87 currently in the Baseball America top 100 and No. 91 via MLBPipeline.com. BA ranks him as the O’s No. 8 prospect and he is No. 7 on the MLBPipeline.com list of the club’s top 30 prospects.

 

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A slick-fielding shortstop that can also play second and third base, Ortiz is ranked No. 87 currently in the Baseball America top 100 and No. 91 via MLBPipeline.com. BA ranks him as the O's No.Apr 27, 2023

 

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I was saying in the other thread, if they sign Uwasawa, it might be bc Dean Kremer will be part of a trade. In order to sure up their rotation with a safe controllable options, the White Sox might request a pitcher like Kremer

Ortiz, one of Westburg/Kjerstad/Cowser, & Kremer for Cease probably gets it done

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I was saying in the other thread, if they sign Uwasawa, it might be bc Dean Kremer will be part of a trade. In order to sure up their rotation with a safe controllable options, the White Sox might request a pitcher like Kremer

Ortiz, one of Westburg/Kjerstad/Cowser, & Kremer for Cease probably gets it done

Very generous on the O's part IMO.

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I was saying in the other thread, if they sign Uwasawa, it might be bc Dean Kremer will be part of a trade. In order to sure up their rotation with a safe controllable options, the White Sox might request a pitcher like Kremer

Ortiz, one of Westburg/Kjerstad/Cowser, & Kremer for Cease probably gets it done

I highly doubt Elias would do that.

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I was saying in the other thread, if they sign Uwasawa, it might be bc Dean Kremer will be part of a trade. In order to sure up their rotation with a safe controllable options, the White Sox might request a pitcher like Kremer

Ortiz, one of Westburg/Kjerstad/Cowser, & Kremer for Cease probably gets it done

Good grief.  Why would we do that?

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7 hours ago, ScGO's said:

I was saying in the other thread, if they sign Uwasawa, it might be bc Dean Kremer will be part of a trade. In order to sure up their rotation with a safe controllable options, the White Sox might request a pitcher like Kremer

Ortiz, one of Westburg/Kjerstad/Cowser, & Kremer for Cease probably gets it done

I probably wouldn’t give up that much for Cease.  I’ve already said I’d give up Cowser and Ortiz, but if there’s a third piece, it’s not going to be nearly as valuable as Kremer.

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9 hours ago, 24fps said:

Very generous on the O's part IMO.

2 top 100 prospects and a solid mid rotation MLB starter with 4 years of control for 2 seasons of Cease. You can almost count on one of them being a low 4ERA and possibly both. I’m glad you’re not the GM. Elias laughs at Getz and hangs up the phone IMO

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

I probably wouldn’t give up that much for Cease.  I’ve already said I’d give up Cowser and Ortiz, but if there’s a third piece, it’s not going to be nearly as valuable as Kremer.

Honestly, I’d give up Cowser, a guy in the 10-15 range (per MLB list)a 25-30 guy, a lottery ticket type. If that’s  not enough then pass. If we get this guy we will almost certainly be disappointed by his actual performance at the end of each season.

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17 hours ago, Pickles said:

And we're supposed to believe we MUST give up two top global 50 prospects.

These takes are wild.  Professional baseball insiders claim the Sox will get a “monster” package.  Close eyes and pretend like it was never mentioned.

Random fake Twitter insider makes up a clearly fake trade that is ridiculously one-sided for the team they support and all of a sudden it’s “see, the price won’t be that much”.

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