Service time games, 2024

[sportsfan8703]

Here’s a service clock “game” people might like… We start O’Hearn in the minors for three days, then trade him. Opening up an everyday spot for Cowser or Kjerstad. The team acquiring O’Hearn would get a second year of team control with him being in the minors for the three days. Then the controlling team wouldn’t be the bad guys. 

So it would be a pre-worked out trade in ST. Something like O’Hearn to the Marlins for their comp pick B. 

Dream scenario. 

[Frobby]

11 hours ago, RZNJ said:

I’ve gone back and forth on this.   If the Orioles feel Holliday is ready, just include him on the 26 man roster.   We got Burnes to go for it this year.  Why play games with Holliday if you truly believe he can be a significant contributor?    He’s got a decent chance of getting the ROY pick.   Yes, I’d like to game that 7th year but it just doesn’t feel right this year.   If it were 2022 or even 2023 I’d probably lean that way.   Time to act like a winner.

What does gaming the service time clock get us?

A better chance to win in 2030.   Nothing more than that.  

Plus, Adley proved you can hold a guy down for 40 games and he still might finish top 2 in ROY.  Last year Josh Jung missed 40 games with injury and still finished 4th.  So you might lose the service time anyway. 

[Frobby]

Looking at how service time will play out for a few guys this year:

Kjerstad won’t earn more than 119 days this year, and with his 18 days from last year, will end up with 137 days at most, short of a full year.  6 more years of control after 2024. 

Stowers had earned 77 days prior to 2024, and has earned 45 days so far this year, I believe.  He needs another 50 days to get to a full year.   There are 69 days remaining in the season, so he’d need another call-up by August 11 to have any shot to end 2024 with a full year of service accrued.  

Cowser had accrued 43 days of service in 2023 and has 117 days in the books this year as of 7/22/24, for a total of 160.   He’s going to end 2024 with a full year of service unless he’s sent down by August 2.   

 

[Just Regular]

I believe we can forecast today with certainty that zero of Cade Povich, Chayce McDermott, Coby Mayo and Jackson Holliday will achieve Super 2 status even if they are called up today, so their controlling club can know 2025-2027 will be MLB minimum seasons, and 2028-2030 will be Arb seasons unless radical service time structure changes occur in the next CBA.

It will I believe mean something for the Bats the Orioles would put in 2024 postseason lineups if Holliday and Mayo get 2 months of MLB experience rather than 1 provided SIGBOT envisions they are two of the best nine players to win with.    In the postseason, changes to your starting nine day to day are pretty minimal.

[Aristotelian]

The date to keep an eye on is ROY eligibility for next year. Holliday has already used up a bunch of his 45 days.  For Mayo we might be looking at around August 17-18. Maybe early Sept for Holliday. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

The date to keep an eye on is ROY eligibility for next year. Holliday has already used up a bunch of his 45 days.  For Mayo we might be looking at around August 17-18. Maybe early Sept for Holliday. 

I think this season has shown that you can't be planning around your guys winning ROY.  What's best for the team and the player is more important than a chance at a draft pick.

[Can_of_corn]

On 2/6/2024 at 12:25 PM, Frobby said:

Plus, Adley proved you can hold a guy down for 40 games and he still might finish top 2 in ROY.  Last year Josh Jung missed 40 games with injury and still finished 4th.  So you might lose the service time anyway. 

Skenes...

[Aristotelian]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I think this season has shown that you can't be planning around your guys winning ROY.  What's best for the team and the player is more important than a chance at a draft pick.

It appears to have been factor for Gunnar's timing and that paid off. I would not draw any conclusions from one season. Cowser was limited last year and had a great shot this year. Of course we would not be guaranteed anything but it appears to be a consideration for Elias. Particularly for Mayo it seems like he should be up by now, and at this point we just have to wait three weeks.

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

It appears to have been factor for Gunnar's timing and that paid off. I would not draw any conclusions from one season. Cowser was limited last year and had a great shot this year. Of course we would not be guaranteed anything but it appears to be a consideration for Elias. Particularly for Mayo it seems like he should be up by now, and at this point we just have to wait three weeks.

I think with Gunnar it was as easy as shutting him down a week early.

I think that would have happened with or without a pick.

[OsFanInOhio]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think this season has shown that you can't be planning around your guys winning ROY.  What's best for the team and the player is more important than a chance at a draft pick.

Agreed. But in instances like we are in now where we are winning games and there isn’t a huge need, the difference between bringing them up tomorrow and in a few weeks to retain their rookie eligibility is a consideration. Particularly since there isn’t an obvious candidate to send down / dfa (even if many of us wouldn’t mind Urias going). The roster expansion on sept 1 eases that a bit. 
being able to go into next year with both Mayo and Holliday ROTY eligible would be nice if it doesn’t negatively impact us this year. 

[Greg Pappas]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

Looking at how service time will play out for a few guys this year:

Kjerstad won’t earn more than 119 days this year, and with his 18 days from last year, will end up with 137 days at most, short of a full year.  6 more years of control after 2024. 

Stowers had earned 77 days prior to 2024, and has earned 45 days so far this year, I believe.  He needs another 50 days to get to a full year.   There are 69 days remaining in the season, so he’d need another call-up by August 11 to have any shot to end 2024 with a full year of service accrued.  

Cowser had accrued 43 days of service in 2023 and has 117 days in the books this year as of 7/22/24, for a total of 160.   He’s going to end 2024 with a full year of service unless he’s sent down by August 2.   

 

Much appreciated.

[Ripken]

I'm not concerned with an extra pick.  We have enough college OFs in the system.

[Can_of_corn]

3 hours ago, Ripken said:

I'm not concerned with an extra pick.  We have enough college OFs in the system.

You need to factor in trading one or two a year for pitching.

[Since1984]

8 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

It appears to have been factor for Gunnar's timing and that paid off. I would not draw any conclusions from one season. Cowser was limited last year and had a great shot this year. Of course we would not be guaranteed anything but it appears to be a consideration for Elias. Particularly for Mayo it seems like he should be up by now, and at this point we just have to wait three weeks.

If Norby comes up to fill in for Mateo that will be a tell tale sign tomorrow on Mayo’s manipulation.

And then there is the 40 man excuse with a week before the trade deadline 

Edited July 24 by Since1984

[survivedc]

8 minutes ago, Since1984 said:

If Norby comes up to fill in for Mateo that will be a tell tale sign tomorrow on Mayo’s manipulation.

And then there is the 40 man excuse with a week before the trade deadline 

I don’t think it is as 1:1 and simple as that. The Mateo injury could impact a lot of strategy going forward: does Urias get traded if Mateo is out for a long time? Do they need to see if Holliday will be a reliable 2B option allowing a Urias trade?