Julio Teheran Flyer

[dedwretched]

10 hours ago, Matt Bennett said:

What do we want with a terrible pitcher? 

..earlie in the morrrning.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

7 hours ago, dystopia said:

Sounds kind of like Monday Morning quarterbacking. 
 

I don’t disagree that they should add more pitching I just disagree that they’ve “punted”. 

How so? They knew Bradish had a season-threatening injury a month before the trade with Milwaukee, and that Burnes was therefore just filling a hole rather than serving as a true addition to the rotation.

5 hours ago, RarityFlaherty said:

“Punted” is certainly a weird way to describe an offseason where we traded for a Cy Young winner. 

...who merely replaced the incumbent ace of the staff, who may not pitch at all for us in 2024.

No real upgrade has actually occurred.  

[RarityFlaherty]

31 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

How so? They knew Bradish had a season-threatening injury a month before the trade with Milwaukee, and that Burnes was therefore just filling a hole rather than serving as a true addition to the rotation.

...who merely replaced the incumbent ace of the staff, who may not pitch at all for us in 2024.

No real upgrade has actually occurred.  

I think you’re really overrating Bradish if you think no upgrade has occurred. Burnes is a former Cy Young winner with a track record of consistently being good. Bradish had one good year. 

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 hour ago, RarityFlaherty said:

I think you’re really overrating Bradish if you think no upgrade has occurred. Burnes is a former Cy Young winner with a track record of consistently being good. Bradish had one good year. 

Burnes was not an addition, he was a replacement. We simply swapped out Bradish for Burnes in the end. 

If you think that is good enough, that's fine, but I do not and would rather the team act with some degree of urgency with Adley halfway to free agency after this season. Adding Michael Lorenzen or Mike Clevinger on a cheap one year deal to keep guys like Teheran and Zimmerman out of the rotation if we have another SP injury isn't exactly an unreasonable ask for a team with a bottom ~5 payroll and alleged World Series aspirations.

And even that wouldn't really be an addition since they would functionally just be replacing Gibson, whose previously planned replacement (Means) will also be joining Bradish on the IL to start the year for an indeterminate amount of time.

[Billy F-Face3]

15 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Burnes was not an addition, he was a replacement. We simply swapped out Bradish for Burnes in the end. 

If you think that is good enough, that's fine, but I do not and would rather the team act with some degree of urgency with Adley halfway to free agency after this season. Adding Michael Lorenzen or Mike Clevinger on a cheap one year deal to keep guys like Teheran and Zimmerman out of the rotation if we have another SP injury isn't exactly an unreasonable ask for a team with a bottom ~5 payroll and alleged World Series aspirations.

And even that wouldn't really be an addition since they would functionally just be replacing Gibson, whose previously planned replacement (Means) will also be joining Bradish on the IL to start the year for an indeterminate amount of time.

I don't think Lorenzen or Clevinger is any better than what we already have. Irvin and Wells are better, and we don't know what the future holds with regards to injuries. Means will be back in April and he's a solid starting pitcher when healthy. So that means at least a +1 in starting pitchers. And Elias keeps saying Bradish will be back later in the season (yet it doesn't look like fans here believe him) and he's been throwing, so there's a chance Bradish does come back.  But let's say worst case scenario and we do get an injury. Roll the dice with Zimmerman because he had a great month when he had an opportunity to start 2022, so it's possible the team could get 4.50 ERA from him to help them weather the storm until one of the prospects from Norfolk is ready to get the call and have their opportunity.

Bottom line is Lorenzen and Clevinger aren't worth the money. It's an over pay. And with the Orioles front office, there's always other ways to get the same caliber of production depth without over paying.

[RarityFlaherty]

5 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Burnes was not an addition, he was a replacement. We simply swapped out Bradish for Burnes in the end. 

If you think that is good enough, that's fine, but I do not and would rather the team act with some degree of urgency with Adley halfway to free agency after this season. Adding Michael Lorenzen or Mike Clevinger on a cheap one year deal to keep guys like Teheran and Zimmerman out of the rotation if we have another SP injury isn't exactly an unreasonable ask for a team with a bottom ~5 payroll and alleged World Series aspirations.

And even that wouldn't really be an addition since they would functionally just be replacing Gibson, whose previously planned replacement (Means) will also be joining Bradish on the IL to start the year for an indeterminate amount of time.

It feels like you’re really twisting yourself into knots trying to find a way to be pessimistic. Addition or replacement, Burnes is still an upgrade over Bradish. A full year of an improved Rodriguez is most likely going to be an upgrade. Right there, that’s the top two spots in the rotation most likely being better than last year. The rest of the rotation will sort itself out.
 

If you think adding guys like Lorenzen or Clevinger are really going to be the difference between having World Series aspirations or not, then you are really overrating them. Plus, Clevinger is supposed to be a cancer in the locker room, so he’d probably do more to hurt our World Series aspirations than help. There’s really no urgency to add someone like that when we have plenty of other options. If we have injuries, the young guys like McDermott or Povich could come up and fill in. I’d rather see them get a chance than spend money on more of these old back of the rotation guys that have no future with with the team. 

Edited February 29 by RarityFlaherty

[sportsfan8703]

6 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Burnes was not an addition, he was a replacement. We simply swapped out Bradish for Burnes in the end. 

If you think that is good enough, that's fine, but I do not and would rather the team act with some degree of urgency with Adley halfway to free agency after this season. Adding Michael Lorenzen or Mike Clevinger on a cheap one year deal to keep guys like Teheran and Zimmerman out of the rotation if we have another SP injury isn't exactly an unreasonable ask for a team with a bottom ~5 payroll and alleged World Series aspirations.

And even that wouldn't really be an addition since they would functionally just be replacing Gibson, whose previously planned replacement (Means) will also be joining Bradish on the IL to start the year for an indeterminate amount of time.

I agree. Our rotation and SP depth is worse than we ended last year with. To be simple… we’ve lost Bradish and Gibson. We’ve added Burnes and Tehrehan. Means is still the same as last September. Our depth of Wells, and Irvin, are now in the rotation. So yes… one of Lorenzen/Clevinger really just replaces Gibson. 

[Sports Guy]

 

[dystopia]

Alias has earned the benefit of the doubt with these types of moves. 

[dystopia]

Just now, dystopia said:

Alias has earned the benefit of the doubt with these types of moves. 

Elias*

[Frobby]

I always keep an open mind with this stuff, especially with minor league signings.  The guy was a good pitcher for a long time.  Guys like that can be pretty resourceful and surprise you.  I’m not counting on it, but a MiL deal?  Why not?

[waroriole]

On 2/28/2024 at 7:54 AM, Matt Bennett said:

What do we want with a terrible pitcher? 

I see people took this joke sincerely. 

[interloper]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I always keep an open mind with this stuff, especially with minor league signings.  The guy was a good pitcher for a long time.  Guys like that can be pretty resourceful and surprise you.  I’m not counting on it, but a MiL deal?  Why not?

Never really understood why this isn't the default line of thinking with 99.9% of minor league deals. 

Edited February 29 by interloper

[Three Run Homer]

Milwaukee has become something of a Mecca for older pitchers trying to revive their careers, so it was not surprising when they turned to Teheran last year as they tried to Kabul together a rotation.  Unfortunately, after a few good games, he started making opposing hitters look like Bei Rut, even though he had the support of his teammates to Amman.  

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this signing isn't my Bag, dad.  

[btdart20]

1 hour ago, Three Run Homer said:

Milwaukee has become something of a Mecca for older pitchers trying to revive their careers, so it was not surprising when they turned to Teheran last year as they tried to Kabul together a rotation.  Unfortunately, after a few good games, he started making opposing hitters look like Bei Rut, even though he had the support of his teammates to Amman.  

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this signing isn't my Bag, dad.  

If he hangs a pitch, I slam it.