An updated guess at the bullpen

[CaptainRedbeard]

9 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

If Stuff+ says Webb is a good pitcher I question the validity 

Stuff+ measures the quality of pitches, not how good of a pitcher they were, because it doesn’t consider location. So the classic archetype of a “great arm but no idea where it’s going” guy will grade well by Stuff+, but be a bad pitcher. It’s more valuable for gauging upside, and the Orioles and other teams that are good at picking up RP for cheap and making them way better target guys with good stuff that they then try to harness better with mechanical or approach adjustments, or ability for spin (which goes into Stuff+) and they tweak a pitch or teach a new one. 

There is a Location+ too, which just grades location. For example Fuji was 122 in Stuff+, but 94 in Location+. Baumann was 114 and 98. Webb was 114 and 104. 

[Just Regular]

Mike Elias' actions beating the market to acquire Shintaro Fujinami (and Craig Kimbrel and Corbin Burnes, for that matter) suggest he's a Stuff-ist.

Its up to Chris Holt or Drew French to get it vaguely near the strike zone.

Cole Irvin knew the score this winter.     He isn't going to throw 180 innings this year.

[RZNJ]

2 hours ago, CaptainRedbeard said:

Stuff+ measures the quality of pitches, not how good of a pitcher they were, because it doesn’t consider location. So the classic archetype of a “great arm but no idea where it’s going” guy will grade well by Stuff+, but be a bad pitcher. It’s more valuable for gauging upside, and the Orioles and other teams that are good at picking up RP for cheap and making them way better target guys with good stuff that they then try to harness better with mechanical or approach adjustments, or ability for spin (which goes into Stuff+) and they tweak a pitch or teach a new one. 

There is a Location+ too, which just grades location. For example Fuji was 122 in Stuff+, but 94 in Location+. Baumann was 114 and 98. Webb was 114 and 104. 

Some of Kuji’s pitches rated an 88901 on location+, as in another zip code.

[sportsfan8703]

18 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

I just came here to say that Webb's melt down in the post season has left a bad stain on my memories of his tenure pitching for the Orioles. Specifically I'll never forget him giving up the home run.

And it might be unfair because he pitched well during the regular season once we claimed him, and he was ovwr worked. But the failure when it mattered most in the playoffs is what has given me a negative emotional reaction when I think about him being on this team.

 Well you pegged why the guy catches flack. I view him as “everyday Webby” like he was down the stretch for us last year when we desperately needed a RH reliever. Fuji wasn’t it. 

Webb is a fine option to begin the season in the pen and to get us through 162. The playoffs are a different story. Even Bautista blew the ASG save.

McDermott is the in house guy that I think can have the biggest impact on the bullpen this year. 

[CaptainRedbeard]

19 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Some of Kuji’s pitches rated an 88901 on location+, as in another zip code.

Yeah I’m actually surprised Fuji wasn’t worse. He was brutal to watch sometimes. I think it’s because Fuji threw a lot of pitches on the edges and out of the middle of the plate when he was throwing strikes. He looked unhittable when he was on. A lot of non competitive pitches but not a lot of horrible meatballs. 

Anecdotally, I think that’s why Baumann had only a bit better Pitching+ grade than Fuji, he wasn’t nearly as wild out of the zone but my impression was he was quite prone to serving up some center cut fastballs and cutter/sliders.