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37 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

The article was shared / linked days ago in one of the many Orioles Facebook Groups I'm in, and a MLB reporter had cited an insider.  I just looked for it but it seems to be buried underneath all the newer posts. Doing a Google search trying to find it at first glance just brings up a different reporter on MLB speculating. It's not worth the time it takes to snoop it down because the game is on, it's mother's day, and everyone will find out what the tram does anyway soon enough.

Got it.   It wasn’t worth sharing here 3 days ago and now it’s disappeared.  

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Have you seen this?  

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Citing game thread reactions to back up the assertion that you're being rational isn't as convincing as you think it is.

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Suarez can back up Means and the rest of the bullpen is rested. Maybe you disagree but breathtaking stupidity is over the top. 

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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Got it.   It wasn’t worth sharing here 3 days ago and now it’s disappeared.  

You're a smart guy. Go find it yourself instead of being snippy. 

Everytime I've shared articles I get people criticizing me for the fact I quoted it or copied too much of it. 

Second of all, this message board is well informed so I figured everyone would have seen it themselves. I get more info here than I do elsewhere on the Orioles so it's not like I's be adding much. 

I saw it before going to sleep so I didn't even think about making the effort to come here and post it.

But again, if it matters so much to you, go look for it. The internet is a big place, Snippy.

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4 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

You're a smart guy. Go find it yourself instead of being snippy. 

Everytime I've shared articles I get people criticizing me for the fact I quoted it or copied too much of it. 

Second of all, this message board is well informed so I figured everyone would have seen it themselves. I get more info here than I do elsewhere on the Orioles so it's not like I's be adding much. 

I saw it before going to sleep so I didn't even think about making the effort to come here and post it.

But again, if it matters so much to you, go look for it. The internet is a big place, Snippy.

I’m not looking for some Facebook post by some nobody.   It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack when there’s no needle.   An insider?  LOL

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7 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

Hyde really should have left him in for the save opportunitty yesterday.    

Eh, I don't think giving Kimbrel a lower-stress save opportunity was a bad idea.

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Just now, Dunk35 said:

Go back to 5 man rotation and Dean is in the pen.  Crap outing against a crap team by DK. 

Not his first. Won’t be the last time. That’s who Dean Kremer is. He’s Jekyll and Hyde. Great here, terrible there.

It’s probably in the best interest of the team to swap places with Kremer and Irvin. Irvin has clearly been the better starter.

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1 minute ago, Dunk35 said:

Go back to 5 man rotation and Dean is in the pen.  Crap outing against a crap team by DK. 

Seems reactionary and short sighted but okay.  Reminder that prior to tonight, in 344 IP since the beginning of 2022, Kremer is 24-15 with a 3.74 ERA and a 4.27 FIP.  It's much better to keep him on a starting routine, particular given two current members of our rotation have significant injury concerns and could go down at any time.  At this point, he has an equivalent or better track record than John Means.  Are you going to make the same post the next time Means gives up a few runs?

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3 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Not his first. Won’t be the last time. That’s who Dean Kremer is. He’s Jekyll and Hyde. Great here, terrible there.

It’s probably in the best interest of the team to swap places with Kremer and Irvin. Irvin has clearly been the better starter.

Sure, in 42 IP this year.  Over their careers? Not so much.  You can't just ride the hot hand and swap people in and out of a rotation based on who happens to be pitching well at the time. 

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6 minutes ago, Big Mac said:

Sure, in 42 IP this year.  Over their careers? Not so much.  You can't just ride the hot hand and swap people in and out of a rotation based on who happens to be pitching well at the time. 

Careers are not that relevant to what is going on right now? Irvin has been the much better pitcher and Kremer has a chance to help us at the back end of the pen given that he already is a strikeout pitcher, which is what we need in the pen IMO.

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7 minutes ago, Big Mac said:

Seems reactionary and short sighted but okay.  Reminder that prior to tonight, in 344 IP since the beginning of 2022, Kremer is 24-15 with a 3.74 ERA and a 4.27 FIP.  It's much better to keep him on a starting routine, particular given two current members of our rotation have significant injury concerns and could go down at any time.  At this point, he has an equivalent or better track record than John Means.  Are you going to make the same post the next time Means gives up a few runs?

Means has a higher ceiling than Dean imo. Floors are similar. Five man rotation at this point should be Burnes, Bradish, Irvin, GRod, Means. 

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Just now, Bemorewins said:

Careers are not that relevant to what is going on right now? Irvin has been the much better pitcher and Kremer has a chance to help us at the back end of the pen given that he already is a strikeout pitcher, which is what we need in the pen IMO.

If you think Kremer is more effective in the pen than Irvin, that's a fair enough point.  The far more likely outcome is that Irvin's 42 IP are an outlier and he ends the year consistent with his career norms, which aren't as good as Kremer.  If that begins to be the case, you now have the issue that you have taken a proven #4 SP out of the rotation and out of starting routine and have to plug him back in as a starter.

I don't think it's a wise move for the rest of the season, but if you really feel that they are close as starting pitching options but that Kremer is more effective in the pen than Irvin, I may disagree but that's a reasonable take. 

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2 minutes ago, Dunk35 said:

Means has a higher ceiling than Dean imo. Floors are similar. Five man rotation at this point should be Burnes, Bradish, Irvin, GRod, Means. 

I'd rather have the guy that has proven to be a better starting pitcher in the rotation, but we can agree to disagree there.  I agree on Means v. Kremer.  My view is that we should be prepared for at least one of Means or Bradish to not make it through the season, and in that case I'd rather have Kremer's routine as a starter not disrupted.  Irvin did the back and forth role last year so I'm not as concerned about it with him. 

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