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One minute people are saying Tate’s no good.  The next minute they’re complaining about him being optioned.  Yohan Ramirez, no matter how bad, has a fresh arm.  Tate doesn’t.  Ramirez gone by Thursday or Friday when Means and Bradish are reinstated and Suarez and probably Irvin move to the pen and Tate may have gone anyway.   Bad news for Akin maybe because he also has an option.

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33 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Not that I want Kimbrel to go on the IL, but Tate could be back sooner in the event Kimbrel needs an IL stint. Also since Tate is a pitcher it's a 15 day minimum stay in the minor leagues if no injuries pop up on the MLB roster.

Ramirez is only useful for garbage time, when we’re down 10-0. That’s not a reason to keep him. I take @OsFanSinceThe80s point that Tate can be recalled if Kimbrel goes down, but it’s still better to keep Tate and dump Ramirez for Vespi or Povich. That way you’ve got TWO guys…and they don’t suck, either.

There is no reason to keep Ramirez, and no need to option Tate.

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Just now, Philip said:

Ramirez is only useful for garbage time, when we’re down 10-0. That’s not a reason to keep him. I take @OsFanSinceThe80s point that Tate can be recalled if Kimbrel goes down, but it’s still better to keep Tate and dump Ramirez for Vespi or Povich. That way you’ve got TWO guys…and they don’t suck, either.

There is no reason to keep Ramirez, and no need to option Tate.

I'm willing to let this play out, but relegating Tate to potentially two weeks at Norfolk while a pitcher like Ramirez remains on the team. Most likely when Bradish returns it's Suarez moving to the bullpen and Ramirez is getting DFA-ed.

I think this is the reasoning behind the move with Tate even though I'd prefer to keep Tate in the bullpen.

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33 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

One minute people are saying Tate’s no good.  The next minute they’re complaining about him being optioned.  Yohan Ramirez, no matter how bad, has a fresh arm.  Tate doesn’t.  Ramirez gone by Thursday or Friday when Means and Bradish are reinstated and Suarez and probably Irvin move to the pen and Tate may have gone anyway.   Bad news for Akin maybe because he also has an option.

Lol, so true. And just yesterday everyone was freaking out about how Hyde burns bullpen arms and then the board wants to get rid of Ramirez, a fresh arm, the very next day. The level of certainty combined with the obvious contradictions blows my mind.

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5 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I'm willing to let this play out, but relegating Tate to potentially two weeks at Norfolk while a pitcher like Ramirez remains on the team. Most likely when Bradish returns it's Suarez moving to the bullpen and Ramirez is getting DFA-ed.

I think this is the reasoning behind the move with Tate even though I'd prefer to keep Tate in the bullpen.

I don’t disagree with your theory, but I think that’s a terrible reason to keep Ramirez, when you’ve got other guys who could replace him without risking losing a worthwhile piece for two weeks.

 

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Lol, so true. And just yesterday everyone was freaking out about how Hyde burns bullpen arms and then the board wants to get rid of Ramirez, a fresh arm, the very next day. The level of certainty combined with the obvious contradictions blows my mind.

Don’t you want to get rid of Ramirez?

he has no redeeming qualities.

And as moose has pointed out, the bullpen is not built for the way it is being used, and yes, part of the problem is that we don’t have a very good or deep bullpen, but the usage is definitely a problem.

Tate isn’t great but he’s certainly one of our best.
 

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7 minutes ago, Philip said:

Don’t you want to get rid of Ramirez?

he has no redeeming qualities.

And as moose has pointed out, the bullpen is not built for the way it is being used, and yes, part of the problem is that we don’t have a very good or deep bullpen, but the usage is definitely a problem.

Tate isn’t great but he’s certainly one of our best.
 

Absolutely I want to get rid of Ramirez. However, I understand the reason he is being kept for the next couple of days, and why keeping Tate when he's not available would further stress the bullpen. In general I try to take a few minutes to think through the logic of Elias's moves rather than assume he is an idiot and get mad.

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25 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Absolutely I want to get rid of Ramirez. However, I understand the reason he is being kept for the next couple of days, and why keeping Tate when he's not available would further stress the bullpen. In general I try to take a few minutes to think through the logic of Elias's moves rather than assume he is an idiot and get mad.

I’m not assuming he’s an idiot, I have never done that. that is a strawman and you are better than that. I’m understand but I disagree and there are better alternatives.

There is no need to keep Ramirez.

 

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2 minutes ago, Philip said:

I’m not assuming he’s an idiot, I have never done that. that is a strawman and you are better than that. I’m understand but I disagree and there are better alternatives.

There is no need to keep Ramirez.

 

You are second guessing Elias even when a logical explanation has been given. You can call it something else if you want.

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6 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

You are second guessing Elias even when a logical explanation has been given. You can call it something else if you want.

I said, and I will say it again that I understand the reasoning, I disagree with it strongly because it is not necessary to do what was done.

The benefits are small and don’t outweigh the potential risks

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9 hours ago, SilverRocket said:

Who in the offseason was available who would've been more reliable than Kimbrel? FA relievers are always a crapshoot, and Hader would've turned out worse. Not sure if anyone was available through trades but I haven't heard a lot of real names there.

It's not fullproof to build a bullpen through hoping some younger guys pan out but that's just how they happen. Our pipeline just ran out, and our starter injuries meant we couldn't put our SP depth there though maybe that changes this week. I hope Povich or someone else can become a real candidate.

I heard a lot about getting Bednar from Pittsburgh from most of the guys complaining about Elias not doing anything about the pen.  They don’t want to mention that was the guy they wanted to trade for though just complain about not doing anything.  

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