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6 hours ago, gtman55 said:

I just wanna know why we bring up guys who play every day at AAA only to ride thd bench up here. Give these guys a chance like they the did with Holliday and if they suck send them down. At this point they're wasting the careers of guys like Stowers and Kjerstad. If you dot believe in them, trade them for pitching.

The Orioles objective is to win games. They have depth. Holiday didn’t have the competition the others did. 

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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

A few posters are going to roll their eyes when they read that.  LOL

That's funny, I was going to post "you're a good egg, I don't care what they say about you." Which wouldn't have really been a dig on you, because I say it to my friends and even my wife. It's meant to be an absurd combo of a compliment and an insult. 

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12 minutes ago, Jagwar said:

That's funny, I was going to post "you're a good egg, I don't care what they say about you." Which wouldn't have really been a dig on you, because I say it to my friends and even my wife. It's meant to be an absurd combo of a compliment and an insult. 

I’ll take it.

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