2 moves that should be coming soon

[Jagwar]

Whatever happened to Tate?

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Jagwar said:

Whatever happened to Tate?

He’s in AAA. Has pitched better,  numbers wise, lately.

Of course, he’s the exact type of pitcher we don’t need right now..mediocre K rate, doesn’t miss bats and pitches to contact. high GB rate. This isn’t the defense for those types of pitchers but we also don’t have many options.

[Jagwar]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

He’s in AAA. Has pitched better,  numbers wise, lately.

Of course, he’s the exact type of pitcher we don’t need right now..mediocre K rate, doesn’t miss bats and pitches to contact. high GB rate. This isn’t the defense for those types of pitchers but we also don’t have many options.

Is he a better option than Baker right now, or would that just be a sort of lateral move?

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Jagwar said:

Is he a better option than Baker right now, or would that just be a sort of lateral move?

To me, these guys are all the same. They each do something better than the other. It just depends on who is pitching well at the time. 
 

Can they throw strikes?  That is a big issue as well.

[lazyjc22]

29 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I don't understand why Baker is not good. When he first arrived in 2022 I felt his FB and CH combo was solid and he seemed to get outs pretty frequently. I thought he had Closer stuff. To me I feel like he's slowly lost his CH over the last 2 years so everyone's sitting on his FB bc the breaking stuff isn't good enough to worry about either

Seems like you understand exactly why he isn't very good. 

[Safelykept]

44 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I don't understand why Baker is not good. When he first arrived in 2022 I felt his FB and CH combo was solid and he seemed to get outs pretty frequently. I thought he had Closer stuff. To me I feel like he's slowly lost his CH over the last 2 years so everyone's sitting on his FB bc the breaking stuff isn't good enough to worry about either

hitters make adjustments, their quite good at it, he has not adjusted back.

[sportsfan8703]

I don't think either happen.  Rogers was traded for and we're gonna ride it out.  Mayo will start tonight vs a LHP and something tells me that @Roy Firestone's nephew gets some hits after a mental day off and his home debut.  

Edited August 14 by sportsfan8703

[waroriole]

1 hour ago, ScGO's said:

I don't understand why Baker is not good. When he first arrived in 2022 I felt his FB and CH combo was solid and he seemed to get outs pretty frequently. I thought he had Closer stuff. To me I feel like he's slowly lost his CH over the last 2 years so everyone's sitting on his FB bc the breaking stuff isn't good enough to worry about either

Yeah he really should be a back end guy, but now I see why we were able to pick him up on waivers. He’s just not gonna put it together. 

[glenn__davis]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Baker was doing well before being sent down.

Everyone wants to send this guy down or get rid of this guy but all of them kind of suck.

I liked the Rogers move when it happened and I still do but the one thing I question is could those players have gotten us another reliever instead of a starter?  My guess is Elias would have prioritized the starter over the reliever but this pen is just not good and he really needed to add another guy.

To be clear I don't necessarily want to get rid of this guy or that guy.  Just Baker.

I probably unfairly hold animosity towards him for completely blowing open Game 2 of the ALDS last year with 3 walks.  But I just can't stand the guy as a pitcher.  Maybe he's a nice guy.  I hate watching him pitch.

[Jim'sKid26]

2 hours ago, ScGO's said:

I hate Rogers delivery, especially his stride mechanics. His stride is short and at foot strike he looks so narrow and unstable.  Creating some length in his delivery/stride would create more North/South energy and may help his slider get more depth and his CH have more fade; right now, the slider is "sweepy" and not in a good way, and the CH is trash. His offspeed deliveries are butt overall and when he's ahead 0-2 or 1-2, you know he doesn't have the weapons to put batters away and its gonna be 3-2 soon enough.

I think he has some "stuff" to work with and I like his release point and arm slot, but again, it all plays better with more length and stability in the delivery. His release and slot seem to suggest to me that he could be a sinker/CH guy if he can figure out the right grips too.  I'm surprised he has the above avg extension numbers he has with that delivery. In fact, it makes me think he could have elite extension if he makes these suggested changes to the delivery.

Agree and appreciate the explanation. 

Interestingly, Baseball Savant has his extension at 71 (which is good) and his FB velo at 16 (which is really bad.) His average FB is 91.9 mph, down from 93.2 last year.

So, to your point, he's a big guy (6'5") with a lot on natural extension on his delivery. He's leaking velo big time with the short stride and the absence of adequate leg drive/torso separation. His secondaries are also not nearly as deceptive due to him not hiding the ball well at all.

I am curious why you think the change to a sinker would help him. Pardon my ignorance.

[wildcard]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

I don’t think the O’s traded two well-regarded prospects for Rogers so that they could send him to the minors after four starts.   

I don't think the plan was for him to have an ERA of 7.53.    He has options and he will not stay up long with that kind of performance.   They are trying to win the division.

[wildcard]

4 hours ago, interloper said:

Oh I don't think they are remotely concerned about optioning him, honestly. It was a depth move for 2025 more than anything.

It was a move to help them win the division in 2024.  An extra year is a good thing to have but not at a 7.53 ERA.

[iiiput]

Still time to sign Trevor Bauer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ll show myself out

[Aristotelian]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't think the plan was for him to have an ERA of 7.53.    He has options and he will not stay up long with that kind of performance.   They are trying to win the division.

We kept throwing Jack Flaherty out there last year through Sept 15. I expect similar treatment for Rogers. 

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

We kept throwing Jack Flaherty out there last year through Sept 15. I expect similar treatment for Rogers. 

Flaherty had 5 years of service.   They would have needed his permission to send him down.  And that was not happening to a pending FA.   I forget if he had options but it didn't matter.