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Hank Scorpio Hangout Grand Counsel

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MacPhail has already basically said we are tanking the season and that starters will have to pitch more even if they aren't performing.

And the Orioles aren't like other teams. Short of two of the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays being sucked into a black hole, we do not have a chance of winning anything this year. The other teams are all competing right now because they don't play in the AL East. We have to groom our talent even longer to make sure it is good enough to compete.

We are already playing for next year and the most important thing is to make sure that our future players have success. If Bergesen and our other young pitchers keep losing games after they are called up because a burned out bullpen blows them behind them, how is that supposed to help their confidence?

Hendrickson's and Eaton's stats don't matter, their ERA doesn't matter, the W-L record doesn't matter. What matters is the success of our future because that is exactly what and all we are playing for this season. And having a healthy and effective bullpen to back up the cavalry is very important to that future.

Oof... we might just mess around and win this game tonight, Sly.

We're only supposed to win 5 this month, right?

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MacPhail has already basically said we are tanking the season and that starters will have to pitch more even if they aren't performing.

And the Orioles aren't like other teams. Short of two of the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays being sucked into a black hole, we do not have a chance of winning anything this year. The other teams are all competing right now because they don't play in the AL East. We have to groom our talent even longer to make sure it is good enough to compete.

We are already playing for next year and the most important thing is to make sure that our future players have success. If Bergesen and our other young pitchers keep losing games after they are called up because a burned out bullpen blows them behind them, how is that supposed to help their confidence?

Simon's, Hendrickson's and Eaton's stats don't matter, their ERA doesn't matter, the W-L record doesn't matter. What matters is the success of our future because that is exactly what and all we are playing for this season. And having a healthy and effective bullpen to back up the cavalry is very important to that future.

If someone else blows their leads late in the games, that should not affect their confindence. Their mood? Yes, but not confidence.

I pitched in college and started. I pitched many a game where the bull pen came into close and blew it.

I was mad, and angry a little sure, but it did not affect how I was going to pitch my next start. Sure you want the win, but as long as you know you pitched well and were not overmatched, they will be fine.

I cannot stand the kid gloves they put on players, especially pitchers.

You either have it or you do not. A prime example, albeit, not baseball, is Boller and Flacco. You either have what it takes or you do not.

We will know early on which guys will be good and which guys might fall by the numbers to speak....

BTW, sorry for being rude earlier. It is just frustrating to hear that kind of stuff.

But none the less, it was uncalled for and unacceptable.

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BaltimoreTerp Hangout Grand Counsel

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My point is we should still try to win games, and fans who openly admitt to tanking the season are clueless.

I agree, we are playing for the future.

But we have talent this year as well. This season does not have to be lost in all cases.

But calling people fodder and criticizing the manager for doing what most every other manager in baseball does this early in the season is rediculous as well.

You play to win the games. DT is a proud man, dont tell him he should not try to win games.

Sure it is a delicate balance, but when push comes to shove, you play to win the game in front of you, not the game or games next year....

If you are playing to win the games this season, then why are you wasting the bullpen this early?

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I apologized, I got caught in the heat of the moment.

You like piling it on dont you SG?

He is an exemplary model of appropriate decorum and respectful behavior. If there is anyone you should take lessons from about how to act properly, SG is definitely the guy ;-)

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Yes. He's a veteran starter who is at 90 pitches and cruising. Why can't he go the extra two-thirds of an inning?

Bringing in Baez was the perfect compliment to Hendrickson soft stuff. It all worked out.

I am not saying he could not have finished the inning. I am just saying early on it is common around baseball to not let starters throw too many pitches this early on thats all.

I guess every fan site questions managerial decisions as well, but from a baseball standpoint and not from a fans point of view, it seems commonplace and practical to not over exert pitchers early on.

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Bringing in Baez was the perfect compliment to Hendrickson soft stuff. It all worked out.

I am not saying he could not have finished the inning. I am just saying early on it is common around baseball to not let starters throw too many pitches this early on thats all.

I guess every fan site questions managerial decisions as well, but from a baseball standpoint and not from a fans point of view, it seems commonplace and practical to not over exert pitchers early on.

Like your bullpen...

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How about this.

The last time Mark Hendrickson started was July 06, 2008 against the Colorado Rockies.

He was still transitioning back into a starter in spring training and I'm going to guess he's still working his pitch count up. But nope, no thoughts about the player at all. Just bash DT over and over and over again.

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