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Wishing there was a better stat for relievers.  ERA is very misleading.   Coming in with 2 runners on and giving up a bases clearing double….yay, the ERA wasn’t impacted.   
 

We just have so many guys in the bullpen who are sub MLB quality, it’s ridiculous.  I struggle at times wondering which guys are worth retaining at all.  
 

Baker needs to be off the roster immediately.   Useless 

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How often is a good bullpen built any other way? The Guardians have the best bullpen and their key pieces are: - Emmanuel Clase: acquired through the Corey Kluber trade before he had proven

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In other news, water is wet. This was the issue last year, too, after Bautista got injured (and even before that). Elias doesn't get a pass here. He goes dumpster diving for relief pitching way too mu

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Do you look at numbers before you post or nah?

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17 minutes ago, Wavetrapper said:

Wishing there was a better stat for relievers.  ERA is very misleading.   Coming in with 2 runners on and giving up a bases clearing double….yay, the ERA wasn’t impacted.   
 

We just have so many guys in the bullpen who are sub MLB quality, it’s ridiculous.  I struggle at times wondering which guys are worth retaining at all.  
 

Baker needs to be off the roster immediately.   Useless 

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25 minutes ago, Wavetrapper said:

Wishing there was a better stat for relievers.  ERA is very misleading.   Coming in with 2 runners on and giving up a bases clearing double….yay, the ERA wasn’t impacted.   
 

We just have so many guys in the bullpen who are sub MLB quality, it’s ridiculous.  I struggle at times wondering which guys are worth retaining at all.  
 

Baker needs to be off the roster immediately.   Useless 

That 1/3 of an inning against Texas in Game 3 was the low point of my 2023 season. He's only here to eat innings, He was only in to throw garbage time. Wont be on the playoff roster.

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59 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It’s the 7th inning with Burnes or Eflin on the bump. A tough lefty is coming up. Who you bringing in?  Perez or Coloumbe?  

DC should get the highest leverage situation that pops up, regardless of the inning.

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28 minutes ago, Wavetrapper said:

Wishing there was a better stat for relievers.  ERA is very misleading.   Coming in with 2 runners on and giving up a bases clearing double….yay, the ERA wasn’t impacted.

There’s all kinds of other statistics if you don’t want to use ERA.  Relevant to your comment, Orioles relievers have allowed 32% of inherited runners to score.  League average is 33%.   

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52 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It’s the 7th inning with Burnes or Eflin on the bump. A tough lefty is coming up. Who you bringing in?  Perez or Coloumbe?  

If you have to go to the pen at that point, I’m probably going with Akin there assuming Coulombe gets that spot in the lineup in the 9th. Soto has been pitching better than Perez too, so I’m probably going with him over Perez right now. They both have severe walk issues but Soto at least strikes guys out.

Depends who is hitting behind that batter too though. 

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7 minutes ago, LGOrioles said:

If you have to go to the pen at that point, I’m probably going with Akin there assuming Coulombe gets that spot in the lineup in the 9th. Soto has been pitching better than Perez too, so I’m probably going with him over Perez right now. They both have severe walk issues but Soto at least strikes guys out.

Depends who is hitting behind that batter too though. 

I hate to say it because they are all eligible to succeed or fail ( DC just coming back ), would probally go with Soto.

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I was wondering what the knee-jerk reaction would be to an ugly game last night, but the truth is that the bullpen is fine, as is the rest of the team. We lack a true lockdown closer, but we have six arms by my count that are very good relievers in Akin, Perez, Coulombe, Webb, Cano, and Domingez. And you can add Suarez to that list next week, and possibly Povich, who should also make the PS roster as a lefty long relief option to mirror Suarez.

Anyway, that game could have and would have gone much differently, IMO, if it were a playoff game. Burnes obviously stays in longer and gets at least through the top of the order if not back down to the bottom third to hand it over to the bullpen. Hopefully we'd be able to scratch out some runs, but that's not the bullpen's fault. 

This is an extremely good team with a lead. Let's hope we get on the board early and often starting tonight.

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3 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

Boy, Brandon Young who has some decent numbers at Norfolk must be injured or unimpressive to the front office to not even get a look for this bullpen. Bryan Baker is almost a waste of a call up.

There have been 2-3 times when it seemed logical to call him up but they don’t.   I’ve never understood this thing they have for Baker.  Hey, Cole Irvin is available again!!

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9 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

I was wondering what the knee-jerk reaction would be to an ugly game last night, but the truth is that the bullpen is fine, as is the rest of the team. We lack a true lockdown closer, but we have six arms by my count that are very good relievers in Akin, Perez, Coulombe, Webb, Cano, and Domingez. And you can add Suarez to that list next week, and possibly Povich, who should also make the PS roster as a lefty long relief option to mirror Suarez.

Anyway, that game could have and would have gone much differently, IMO, if it were a playoff game. Burnes obviously stays in longer and gets at least through the top of the order if not back down to the bottom third to hand it over to the bullpen. Hopefully we'd be able to scratch out some runs, but that's not the bullpen's fault. 

This is an extremely good team with a lead. Let's hope we get on the board early and often starting tonight.

Soto has been fine since his first couple appearances and appears to be picking up steam. That makes seven. Problem is Cano has been the most reliable and all of a sudden looked terrible twice in a row. Hopefully he can get in one decent appearance in the final series.

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16 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

I was wondering what the knee-jerk reaction would be to an ugly game last night, but the truth is that the bullpen is fine, as is the rest of the team. We lack a true lockdown closer, but we have six arms by my count that are very good relievers in Akin, Perez, Coulombe, Webb, Cano, and Domingez. And you can add Suarez to that list next week, and possibly Povich, who should also make the PS roster as a lefty long relief option to mirror Suarez.

Anyway, that game could have and would have gone much differently, IMO, if it were a playoff game. Burnes obviously stays in longer and gets at least through the top of the order if not back down to the bottom third to hand it over to the bullpen. Hopefully we'd be able to scratch out some runs, but that's not the bullpen's fault. 

This is an extremely good team with a lead. Let's hope we get on the board early and often starting tonight.

Soto makes 8 and must be included. Dont get the love for Povich because dont see how he fits on the WC roster, especially if he does his job tonight. If they go with a 9 man pen.I think It,s Bowman.

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