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Some of the decision has to go back to Weiters. Since he has signed with an agent he can only go to independant ball. So if he is serious about starting his career now vs. another year it is his responsibility to go to Boras and tell him to take the best deal offered. That is why there is a deadline. I like the earlier one now. Gets everyone to the bargaining table in August instead of much later.

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Some of the decision has to go back to Weiters. Since he has signed with an agent he can only go to independant ball. So if he is serious about starting his career now vs. another year it is his responsibility to go to Boras and tell him to take the best deal offered. That is why there is a deadline. I like the earlier one now. Gets everyone to the bargaining table in August instead of much later.

He hasn't signed with Boras. Boras is only advising him.

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A national writer headlining with "Orioles In Danger of Losing Weiters" doesn't concern you? If we close or things were going smoothly, do you think this would be the angle the article would take? Do you believe there's no difference between that or if the article said "Orioles Close to Signing Weiters"? They COULD be in the same circumstances in both cases, going back and forth, discussing parameters, etc. but if you saw the second headline, you wouldn't assume "gee, things are going well, looks like its going to get done!" Of course you would. Which means to lead with the first headline means things are NOT going well. Theyre NOT close. And we're 2 days away from deadline.

Yes, the headline did scare me, but when I read the article, I found that nothing new was reported. IMO, Rosenthal was just trying to get people to read the story.

Let's just say that this article was about some random team: the Diamondbacks. If you read a headline that says "Negotiations Ongoing With Draft Pick" you most likely not be interested in reading it. However, if the article was entitled "Diamondbacks In Danger of Losing Draft Pick" you would probably be more likely to read it.

The article that Rosenthal wrote really said nothing different than anything the Sun has written about the negotiations, it just has a more worrisome title.

Now, am I worried about the negotiations? Of course. The deadline is in two days, we haven't signed Weiters, and Boras isn't exactly a friend of the organization. Did Rosenthal's article incite this fear? No way.

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Yes, the headline did scare me, but when I read the article, I found that nothing new was reported. IMO, Rosenthal was just trying to get people to read the story.

Let's just say that this article was about some random team: the Diamondbacks. If you read a headline that says "Negotiations Ongoing With Draft Pick" you most likely not be interested in reading it. However, if the article was entitled "Diamondbacks In Danger of Losing Draft Pick" you would probably be more likely to read it.

The article that Rosenthal wrote really said nothing different than anything the Sun has written about the negotiations, it just has a more worrisome title.

Now, am I worried about the negotiations? Of course. The deadline is in two days, we haven't signed Weiters, and Boras isn't exactly a friend of the organization. Did Rosenthal's article incite this fear? No way.

FWIW, I'm certain somebody other than Rosenthal wrote the headline.

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I'm not trying to be dense, but maybe I am anyway. Is there any actual news here? I didn't see any. Nada, zip, zilch. So, what's new about this?

That's what I see... just another shot at the O's, when there are ELEVEN OTHER TEAMS THAT HAVE YET TO SIGN THEIR TOP PICKS AS WELL.

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It'd be fascinating to know if Wieters would have been the O's pick if MacPhail was aboard at the time of the draft.

That'd be the real test of MacPhail's ideology.

On the one hand, the Cubs paid up for Prior in 2001, when MacPhail was presiding.

On the other hand, an earlier poster really nailed it when he used terms like "pragmatic" and "penny-wise" to describe MacPhail. We know in Minny he operated on a shoestring budget. In Chicago he had more budget to work with, but he was pretty steadfast about only handing out big bucks to established fan-favorite stars like Sosa and Wood. Big-ticket free agents he wanted little to do with, and the Cubs never signed one.

Put it all together, and I'm suspicious that Wieters would've been his choice.

That said, I expect a deal will get done -- given the circumstances MacPhail inherited, overpaying is better option than the alternative.

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It'd be fascinating to know if Wieters would have been the O's pick if MacPhail was aboard at the time of the draft.

That'd be the real test of MacPhail's ideology.

I saw him on Anita Marks one day and he was asked about Wieters. There was almost a smirk on his face and I dare say by his reaction that it wasn't the pick he would have made.

That said, I have full confidence that he will sign Wieters. I'm not jumping off the Bay Bridge with 2/3 the posters just yet.

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On the one hand, the Cubs paid up for Prior in 2001, when MacPhail was presiding.

On the other hand, an earlier poster really nailed it when he used terms like "pragmatic" and "penny-wise" to describe MacPhail. We know in Minny he operated on a shoestring budget. In Chicago he had more budget to work with, but he was pretty steadfast about only handing out big bucks to established fan-favorite stars like Sosa and Wood. Big-ticket free agents he wanted little to do with, and the Cubs never signed one.

I think it's telling that Prior was the only pick that MacPhail paid up for and that the Cubs didn't get sign Samardzija signed until after MacPhail left.

Davearm, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on Samardzija. Do you think he would have been signed if MacPhail had stayed??

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I posted these comments from Boras in a thread yesterday and no one commented. This is from an article in Yesterday's Sun Paper.

"They are ongoing," Boras said. "Obviously, the thing I try to do with this type of player, we try to make sure we have a fit long before the draft. We try to be very upfront about our view of the player and make sure they know how we feel. [The Orioles] let us know that they have a similar view of the player from [owner Peter Angelos] on down."

Doesn't this sound much more hopeful to you? Not conclusive by any means, but it sounds like some groundwork was laid ahead of time.

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