He's a LOOGY!

[bluedog]

Why? This forum has known it for 2 weeks. In those two weeks, the O's have lost what, 11 games?

If OH knows it, then the manager being paid ~a million dollars should know it.

This forum has known Sherrill wasn't a closer for a lot longer than 2 weeks which makes what you're saying even more correct.

But I'll be shocked if Trembley makes any kind of change. We'll need to have Sherrill blow 6 or 7 saves over a span of a month before Trembley will do anything.

[Fan4Life]

"kneejerk reactionary" implies that changing his role is illogical idea based on a few weeks of poor pitching.

Sherrill hasn't been an effective closer since about June of last year. And he wasn't great then, he just hung on to enough 3-run leads to keep his job.

I agree and really can't think of anyone on this forum that is a proponent of him staying in the cloer role. We don't seem to have anyone dominating in the relief pitching area, but we have better choices than George for this role.

[bluedog]

Trembley isn't paid that much, but in any case he's paid to be a lot more patient and rational than a bunch guys ranting on a messageboard. It's not like he had Trevor Hoffman in his prime sitting on the bench while Sherrill blew games. Any move he makes will be greeted with skepticism, since there's no obvious closer on the team.

How would moving Sherrill back into the role that he's excelled at (getting left handers out) be an irrational move?

How is continuing to trot him out there against righties when they are hitting .400+ against him this year and .320+ against him since the all star break last year a rational move?

I totally agree that managers must be patient and make moves based on solid logic. But aren't we at a point where it just makes good sense to try someone else in the closer role?

[rolliefingers]

C'mon Drungo, admit it...if you were on the bench in Trembley's shoes right now would you put Sherrill in with a one run lead?

With three straight lefties coming up? Sure. With Hill, Rios and Wells coming up? ...

[Mackus]

I also don't think he should be the sole closer anymore. I would allow him to pitch the 9th in certain situations, but I'd also bring Johnson or Baez in depending on matchups. He's not a straight LOOGY, but he shouldn't be used as a primary closer either.

[rolliefingers]

But aren't we at a point where it just makes good sense to try someone else in the closer role?

Or even try something that Drungo has advocated over the years - to effectively abolish the closer role and manage the bullpen more by situations, and/or by who's freshest, instead of doing it by defined roles.

Look, if we had Papelbon on this team, he'd be the closer. He's clearly the best guy in that bullpen.

We don't have a guy like that. So why pretend we do?

[Moose Milligan]

With three straight lefties coming up? Sure. With Hill, Rios and Wells coming up? ...

Who'd he give the bomb up to?

Sherrill has entered my "Eye Rollers Club". Guys who come into a game and I immediately roll my eyes and stop paying attention...or pay half as much attention.

I figure it's a good time to get up and make a sammich or sit on the throne or something...just keep the TV in earshot so I can roll my eyes again when Sherrill blows it.

[RShack]

"kneejerk reactionary" implies that changing his role is illogical idea based on a few weeks of poor pitching.

No it doesn't. I wasn't talking about criticizing Sherrill or way he is used.

I was talking about having multiple brand-new threads about it within about 1 minute of each other. Unless you somehow think that starting multiple redundant threads on the very same topic is just some random coincidence, that would seem by definition to be prime facie evidence of being reactionary. Furthermore, I didn't say doing it was a crime, I simply said I liked it that the mods didn't just nuke them all, but kept the titles there so we can see how many threads they had to lasso and corral into the pre-existing thread that people could have used instead of starting a whole bunch of redundant ones for no good reason.

It's starting several redundant threads that's knee-jerk and reactionary. The topic, and the criticism implied in the topic, is an entirely different matter.

[rolliefingers]

He's not a straight LOOGY

According to his BBRef page, this is hardly a new phenomenon.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=sherrge01&year=Career&t=p#plato

[PaulFolk]

BTW, when reading this thread title, does anybody else have the song "She's a Lady" pop into their heads?

[rolliefingers]

BTW, when reading this thread title, does anybody else have the song "She's a Lady" pop into their heads?

There's something about the mental combination image of Tom Jones and George Sherrill that - call me crazy here - makes me want to vomit.

Nice steak dinner down the drain. Thanks Paul!

[ShoelesJoe]

What's really frustrating is that if Sherrill had been used this year primarily against left-handed batters his trade value would be off the charts. It's almost like Trembley is deliberately putting him in situations that are guaranteed to make him look bad.

Can you imagine Weaver obsessively writing John Lowenstein's name in the line-up against every lefty starter the Orioles faced? He'd have been hauled off to the loony bin in no time. That's how clueless Trembley's been this year wrt Sherrill's role in the pen.

[bluedog]

Or even try something that Drungo has advocated over the years - to effectively abolish the closer role and manage the bullpen more by situations, and/or by who's freshest, instead of doing it by defined roles.

Look, if we had Papelbon on this team, he'd be the closer. He's clearly the best guy in that bullpen.

We don't have a guy like that. So why pretend we do?

I'm all for Drungo's idea. But Trembley seems to be a guy that likes "established roles" as evidenced by his near press release announcing how everyone in the bullpen would be used last week. So I'm not sure he's going to be open to that idea.

[bluedog]

Who'd he give the bomb up to?

Sherrill has entered my "Eye Rollers Club". Guys who come into a game and I immediately roll my eyes and stop paying attention...or pay half as much attention.

I figure it's a good time to get up and make a sammich or sit on the throne or something...just keep the TV in earshot so I can roll my eyes again when Sherrill blows it.

Don't you love it when you get to the point that you absolutely expect a guy to fail every time they appear? As a fan, is there any worse feeling in the world?

It would be so easy to put Sherrill into a position where he'd be a dominant, successful player again. Can't wait till that happens.

[bluedog]

According to his BBRef page, this is hardly a new phenomenon.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=sherrge01&year=Career&t=p#plato

The K / BB ratio is the most telling stat to me. 1.07 vs. righties, 4.85 vs. lefties. That is an exceptionally wide margin.