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What did DT do wrong tonight?

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Whatever happens with McCrory here, this is an idiotic move by DT.

EDIT: And he gives up a 2 run single to Longoria....Just unreal.

Why idiotic, SG? You are usually the one who wants to get the youngsters up here and use them. So why not use McCrory in a game where we are behind?

Heck, the way Longoria is hitting, it probably wouldn't have mattered who was pitching.

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I can't say I would have played the 7th exactly the same way but I understand why DT did what he did. Baez was probably unavailable after 2 innings last night. It seems Ray is now a 9th inning guy. The only move that seems to fit is to bring JJ in for 1 batter in the 7th and then come back to pitch the 8th if we tie or get the lead.

Also, while I understand the thought of not putting a guys feet to the fire in his first appearance up it's wasn't McCrory's ML debut and we were already down at that point. The situation was ceraintly a tough one but it wasn't like he was put in a position to lose the game. I actually like that DT put some pressure on the guy in that situation.

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Longoria gave up a seeing eye single to one of the best hitters in the game, struck the next guy out, and pitched okay in the 8th. You guys are hard to please.

You mean McCrory, right?

Fact of the matter is, you don't throw a rookie like that (especially one that has struggled in the majors in the past, and hasn't thrown *1* MLB pitch all season) in an extremely high leverage situation like that. At least, in my mind. He did pitch well after, but that blew the game open. Sad thing is that I saw it coming a mile away.

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Why idiotic, SG? You are usually the one who wants to get the youngsters up here and use them. So why not use McCrory in a game where we are behind?

Heck, the way Longoria is hitting, it probably wouldn't have mattered who was pitching.

Not to be put in a position to fail.

Bases loaded with Longoria up is a poor place to use McCrory...Its not even remotely defensible.

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Not to be put in a position to fail.

Bases loaded with Longoria up is a poor place to use McCrory...Its not even remotely defensible.

What's the play there from DT's perspective??? You got basically two options. Ray or JJ, either of which he would've had to get up and potentially sit down and not enter if Koji or Walker gets Upton or Crawford respectively. Let's remember the situation became high stress rather quickly. JJ for Longoria and only Longoria unless we get the lead and he pitches the 8th is really the only move. For whatever reason though,I don't know if it's his shoulder problem or what, they don't like to have JJ sit for a half an inning and then come back out. It seems Ray is a 9th inning guy now. DT was in a very tough situation there after Koji didn't get Upton and Walker failed to do his job.

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What's the play there from DT's perspective??? You got basically two options. Ray or JJ, either of which he would've had to get up and potentially sit down and not enter if Koji or Walker gets Upton or Crawford respectively. Let's remember the situation became high stress rather quickly. JJ for Longoria and only Longoria unless we get the lead and he pitches the 8th is really the only move. For whatever reason though,I don't know if it's his shoulder problem or what but they don't like to have JJ sit for a half an inning and then come back out. It seems Ray is a 9th inning guy now. DT was in a very tough situation there after Koji didn't get Upton and Walker failed to do his job.

He wasn't in a tough situation..In that spot, you should have your best relievers up and ready...Whether that be Ray, Sherrill(who btw, probably should have faced CC instead of Walker), JJ or Baez.

DT was totally wrong there....It is fine to put McCrory in their for the 8th inning...But you can't have him come out of the pen, having not pitched for at least 2-3 days and have him face Longoria with the bases loaded...Just can't do it.

And btw, this isn't hindsight...I don't care if he got EL out, you still can't bring him in there.

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I don't like McCrory in the bullpen but this is Longoria we're talking about. The guy is hitting .360 with a 1.100 OPS and just got AL player of the month honors. You could have put satan in there with a 200mph fastball and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference. Some of you really have it out for DT.

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Glad to see folks are keeping this thread open for DT bashing. I don't think there are any absolutes in Baseball, such as you never bring a newbie in in a high leverage situation. JJ was probably his best option against Longeria, but I agree with CC that they don't like him getting up, pitching, sitting, and then pitching again. You also have to think about who's availble tomorrow. Don't Know why he didn't use Bass there, he has had his feet wet more than McCrory. I think this is something people can quibble over but I don't think it is proof of poor bullpen mgt.

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I think some of you are confusing this as simply a reactionary type of thing. SG posted his feelings even before Longoria singled in 2 runs. I thought it was wrong to stick McCrory into that type of situation. Like SG said, it was setting him up to fail.

I would've much rather used Chris Ray or even Baez in that situation. It was imperative to keep the Rays lead to 1, and Trembley put arguably our worst bullpen guy in there to do that. Just not a smart move IMHO.

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