Tillman's Innings Pitched

[Stevo5278]

Is there any particular reason why the organization never lets Tillman go more than 5 or 6 innings? Is it pitch count related or does he have an injury history?

Last night he was removed after pitching 5 scoreless innings and throwing only 77 pitches. The last time I checked that's a decent pitch/inning ratio (about 15). At 15 pitches per inning a starter should be expected to go at least 7 if not 8 innings. I can't find numbers on his pitch counts but so far his innings pitched per start are

#1 - 4.0

#2 - 4.0

#3 - 6.0

#4 - 5.0

#5 - 6.0

#6 - 6.0

#7 - 5.0

#8 - 2.0

#9 - 5.0

I know he's only 21, but shouldn't they be strecthing him out if he's going to be in the big leagues later this year?

[Can_of_corn]

I know he's only 21, but shouldn't they be strecthing him out if he's going to be in the big leagues later this year?

I am by no means sure that The Plan has him pitching in the majors this year. I would not be suprised at all if he does the whole season at Norfolk then gets shut down. If I had to guess I would say Patton gets the call before Tillman.

[Who's On 1st]

Not sure about the early starts.

But his 8th when he only lasted 2 innings he came out after a groin injury. So even though he said on the 24th of May that he is fine and it's nothing to worry about, maybe it still brothers him a bit!

[Who's On 1st]

I am by no means sure that The Plan has him pitching in the majors this year. I would not be suprised at all if he does the whole season at Norfolk then gets shut down. If I had to guess I would say Patton gets the call before Tillman.

I can see this happenning!

But, with Patton having the major surgery I think they are going to have a wait and see attitude. :scratchchinhmm:

[BaltimoreFan]

He didn't throw five scoreless innings; the four runs were unearned, but runs nonetheless.

[Arthur_Bryant]

Is there any particular reason why the organization never lets Tillman go more than 5 or 6 innings? Is it pitch count related or does he have an injury history?

I know he's only 21, but shouldn't they be strecthing him out if he's going to be in the big leagues later this year?

I don't think they're necessarily saving Tillman for the majors later this year. I think they're just saving him. They probably have a hard innings limit in mind, and they figure that if they let him go deep into games, he'll hit his limit before the end of the AAA season.

He has thrown 43 innings so far. At that rate, he'll probably have about 120 by the end of August.

I would guess the limit is something like 140 for the year. That would leave 20 for September...

Hmmm. Maybe they are saving him for September. (Not sooner, though).

[Stotle]

I don't think they're necessarily saving Tillman for the majors later this year. I think they're just saving him. They probably have a hard innings limit in mind, and they figure that if they let him go deep into games, he'll hit his limit before the end of the AAA season.

He has thrown 43 innings so far. At that rate, he'll probably have about 120 by the end of August.

I would guess the limit is something like 140 for the year. That would leave 20 for September...

Hmmm. Maybe they are saving him for September. (Not sooner, though).

This is right, so far as I can tell (and I agree with the approach). The exception being if BAL is somehow in the WC race at the end of July. I think Tillman could get the call, in that instance.

[Who's On 1st]

This is right, so far as I can tell (and I agree with the approach). The exception being if BAL is somehow in the WC race at the end of July. I think Tillman could get the call, in that instance.

I can see a call up in Sept. if needed for a Wild Card run! :scratchchinhmm:

[Arthur_Bryant]

This is right, so far as I can tell (and I agree with the approach). The exception being if BAL is somehow in the WC race at the end of July. I think Tillman could get the call, in that instance.

Well, that's a bit of a conundrum, since they might need Tillman to make that run in the first place!

[Stotle]

Well, that's a bit of a conundrum, since they might need Tillman to make that run in the first place!

Maybe. I'm not sold on Tillman being a force as a starter right now -- I'd like him as an arm in the pen for a push, but I'm not sure it's the difference between BAL being able to make a push or not in the first place.

[DrungoHazewood]

Is there any particular reason why the organization never lets Tillman go more than 5 or 6 innings? Is it pitch count related or does he have an injury history?

Last night he was removed after pitching 5 scoreless innings and throwing only 77 pitches. The last time I checked that's a decent pitch/inning ratio (about 15). At 15 pitches per inning a starter should be expected to go at least 7 if not 8 innings. I can't find numbers on his pitch counts but so far his innings pitched per start are

#1 - 4.0

#2 - 4.0

#3 - 6.0

#4 - 5.0

#5 - 6.0

#6 - 6.0

#7 - 5.0

#8 - 2.0

#9 - 5.0

I know he's only 21, but shouldn't they be strecthing him out if he's going to be in the big leagues later this year?

Nobody has the answer on how to develop young arms to become good major league starting pitchers. They used to just let everybody throw until the game was over or their arm fell off, whichever came first. That seemed to result in lots of injuries to valuable and expensive players so they (they being professional coaches) rather quickly switched to never allowing anyone to throw much more than 100 pitches. 100 being that point because we have ten fingers and 100 ended up being a round number in the base-10 system. We're at a point where good young arms are never allowed to approach any kind of pitch count that might be considered in any way dangerous by anyone ever.

Hopefully one day somebody will figure this out and we'll go back to having pitchers who can go 7 or 8 innings once in a while, just without the snapped ligaments.

[TyCobb]

I don't think they're necessarily saving Tillman for the majors later this year. I think they're just saving him. They probably have a hard innings limit in mind, and they figure that if they let him go deep into games, he'll hit his limit before the end of the AAA season.

He has thrown 43 innings so far. At that rate, he'll probably have about 120 by the end of August.

I would guess the limit is something like 140 for the year. That would leave 20 for September...

Hmmm. Maybe they are saving him for September. (Not sooner, though).

The number should be much higher than 140.

Last year he pitched 135.2 ip

Year before he pitched 102.2 ip.

I would say his IP mark this year is around 160-170.

[AVencill]

It was Tillman's first start back after an injury (groin? I believe). They did the same thing with Berken when he came back and Arrieta as well.

[Triple Crown]

It was Tillman's first start back after an injury (groin? I believe). They did the same thing with Berken when he came back and Arrieta as well.

What he said, he's was coming off an injury, no concern here.

[Frobby]

Nobody has the answer on how to develop young arms to become good major league starting pitchers. They used to just let everybody throw until the game was over or their arm fell off, whichever came first. That seemed to result in lots of injuries to valuable and expensive players so they (they being professional coaches) rather quickly switched to never allowing anyone to throw much more than 100 pitches. 100 being that point because we have ten fingers and 100 ended up being a round number in the base-10 system. We're at a point where good young arms are never allowed to approach any kind of pitch count that might be considered in any way dangerous by anyone ever.

Hopefully one day somebody will figure this out and we'll go back to having pitchers who can go 7 or 8 innings once in a while, just without the snapped ligaments.

I think Hernandez went 114 pithches in his final start in Norfolk. They definitely have been careful with Tillman in general. As someone pointed out, he is the youngest pitcher on any of our full season teams. My guess is they won't fully take the wraps off until next year.