Jump to content

Dinner with Flanny

Witchy_Chick

By Witchy_Chick
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 127
  • Created
  • Last Reply
NewMarketSean Hangout Grand Counsel

NewMarketSean

Posted
Posted

As good as these guys may be, and as nice as it was to have dinner with them (boy would I have loved the chance!), the bottom line is this...

The team is not winning, and has not won for a long time.

I like that there is a "plan" in place. I'll say that I have more faith in Flanagan than any other GM since the 1997 season. But there is still a lot of work to be done, and there are still a lot of missed opportunities that the FO needs to be held accountable for.

And at the end of the day, these guys are going to be judged on how the teams they put together performed... not if they were nice people or had great reasons why we lost out on player A or B.

I am still very interested in what was discussed at this dinner, so I implore everyone who was there to tell us as much as they can.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rolliefingers All-Star

rolliefingers

Posted
Posted
I agree. He could have signed with NY in 2005. He didn't want to be in NY.
Plus, he raised holy hell about the trade last year, saying that the Marlins duped him and all that. Either that was an extremely clever ruse (to what end, I have no idea), or Flanny is...ahem...incorrect.

I agree with not trading Penn for him, but we could have gotten him for $ and a draft pick, and we should have put forth the extra $$. Hindsight might be 20/20, but Delgado was just an obvious signing and we just did not get it done. I'm still more upset about that one than Guerrero.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NJOriolesFan Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

NJOriolesFan

Posted
Posted
Good question. Very encouraging answer. :)

If true... :(

Unfortunately many of the right pieces have already slipped away.

So, he said we could have a $100 million payroll?

So, our nucleus for next year would be:

Hernandez-$6.5 million

Roberts~$4.5 million

Mora~$8 million (assuming extension)

Tejada-$12 million

Gibbons-$5 million

Markakis-$350 thousand

Benson-$7.5 million

Bedard~$3.5 million

Cabrera~$1.5 million

Penn-$350 thousand

Ray-$350 thousand

Loewen-$350 thousand

We would have $50 million to spend on a #1 starter, a first baseman an outfielder or two and a couple of bullpen arms. I'd love to see it but I'm not holding my breath.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rolliefingers All-Star

rolliefingers

Posted
Posted
Unfortunately many of the right pieces have already slipped away.

So, he said we could have a $100 million payroll?

So, our nucleus for next year would be:

Hernandez-$6.5 million

Roberts~$4.5 million

Mora~$8 million (assuming extension)

Tejada-$12 million

Gibbons-$5 million

Markakis-$350 thousand

Benson-$7.5 million

Bedard~$3.5 million

Cabrera~$1.5 million

Penn-$350 thousand

Ray-$350 thousand

Loewen-$350 thousand

We would have $50 million to spend on a #1 starter, a first baseman an outfielder or two and a couple of bullpen arms. I'd love to see it but I'm not holding my breath.

As I see it, our basic needs are a good starter and a 1Bman. Funny - the same needs we've had for God knows how long now.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
nadecir Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

nadecir

Posted
Posted

1) Members of the FO and of the team do keep up to date with the forums, and the blogs, and the fan base. Sure, we knew this already, but what I often find easy to forget is how it can affect these people. With the anonymity of the internet, 20/20 hindsight, the instantaenous flow of true and false information, and the passion of sports,

Let me join the crowd in thanking Mike Flanagan, his wife, and his guest for taking the time to meet with fans from the Hangout. If the front office is reading this - kudos for the grass roots efforts to reach out to the fans. My respect level for the front office has gone up a bit as a result of this meeting. Although the front office takes some heat here for decision-making, we are on the same team in hoping for great success for Mike Flanagan and the entire Orioles organization.

Since personnel in the front office do read the boards here, perhaps we can encourage them to participate here regularly. What would it take for that to happen? We'd have no shortage of volunteers would could serve as go-between between the front office and and the hangout. Things like printing out hot topics for the front office to see, and typing in the the front office responses.

On the discussion of handling BJ Ryan, I believe that the front office would admit that mistakes were made. Hindsight is certainly 20-20, but BJ was a case that proactive, decisive action was needed. Either sign him early to what seems to be an overpaid contract, or trade him last July. Doing nothing was the wrong thing to do.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mackus Hangout Grand Counsel

Mackus

Posted
Posted

I also was lucky enough to go to the dinner. I definitely want to thank the Flanagan's for taking the time to meet with us and thank Helloharv for setting everything up, it was an awesome experience.

One thing that i haven't seen the others who got to go mention, is that they said that almost all of the players and management / front office types read the boards. John and Tony have mentioned that we'd be surprised by how much attention the board gets, but that really was quite amazing to see how much exposure the boards get.

Everyone else has done a good job of summarizing the topics we talked about, it really was a very interesting night.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Baroquen131 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Baroquen131

Posted
Posted
Witchy sure takes her time making a cup of coffee...

I heard not to expect anything until late afternoon.

(For the notes... I assume she got the coffee done before now. :002_sbiggrin: )

EDIT: Oh - and my previous ramblings aren't meant to be a 'free pass' for the FO. It was simply refreshing to look into their faces and see that they care as much about the team as we all do. But agreed, and noted, about the on-field results and the missed opportunities.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
helloharv Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

helloharv

Posted
Posted
Unfortunately many of the right pieces have already slipped away.

So, he said we could have a $100 million payroll?

So, our nucleus for next year would be:

Hernandez-$6.5 million

Roberts~$4.5 million

Mora~$8 million (assuming extension)

Tejada-$12 million

Gibbons-$5 million

Markakis-$350 thousand

Benson-$7.5 million

Bedard~$3.5 million

Cabrera~$1.5 million

Penn-$350 thousand

Ray-$350 thousand

Loewen-$350 thousand

We would have $50 million to spend on a #1 starter, a first baseman an outfielder or two and a couple of bullpen arms. I'd love to see it but I'm not holding my breath.

Where are you getting the 100 million payroll or having 50 million to spend next year???? Mike never said that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JohnD Major Leaguer

JohnD

Posted
Posted
I also was lucky enough to go to the dinner. I definitely want to thank the Flanagan's for taking the time to meet with us and thank Helloharv for setting everything up, it was an awesome experience.

One thing that i haven't seen the others who got to go mention, is that they said that almost all of the players and management / front office types read the boards. John and Tony have mentioned that we'd be surprised by how much attention the board gets, but that really was quite amazing to see how much exposure the boards get.

Everyone else has done a good job of summarizing the topics we talked about, it really was a very interesting night.

Ha, you think I'd kid with you? You think I'm a kidder? Heh heh heh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • dtk9119
      The Achilles heel for this team is the bullpen

      By dtk9119 · Posted

      The bullpen has warts for sure, but if this offense doesn't figure out how to hit good pitching in the playoffs, the bullpen won't matter. Even I got a little excited when they put 5 and 9 up on the board Tues and Wed, and then it crashed back to reality last night when I remembered they were facing Schmidt and Stroman. When facing a real ace like Cole they were completely shut down. What's gonna happen next week when they face Skubal, Reagins, and/or Lugo? The mediocre bullpen won't matter if they can't figure out how to score some runs off pitchers like that...
    • DirtyBird
      Starters vs Minnesota?

      By DirtyBird · Posted

      Why carry four 1 inning guys over a LH long option? Cionel stinks and should not be on the roster over Povich when you still have Akin, Coulombe and Soto.
    • RavensNOsGuy
      Starters vs Minnesota?

      By RavensNOsGuy · Posted

      Really would be nice to win tonight OR have DET lose so then they can play around Sat/Sun when the games would have no bearing on the seeding. Dont want this to come down to Sunday and having to win to get the 4 seed or then there will be some tough decisions that have to be made.
    • Moose Milligan
      Corbin Burnes 2024

      By Moose Milligan · Posted

      Looking for a big performance from him next week. This is why he’s here. 
    • Aristotelian
      The Achilles heel for this team is the bullpen

      By Aristotelian · Posted

      It was R-R-L-R coming up. Cano is the guy Hyde matches up against the toughest hitters. Yes, those guys got to him the previous game but that is his job and Hyde also probably saw a redemption opportunity to get his confidence back after a tough outing. I don't see why that was bad move except in hindsight it didn't work out. Congrats if you called it in the game thread. 
    • JR Oriole
      Congratulations Yankees

      By JR Oriole · Posted

      Soto and Judge are both first ballot Hall of Famers when they retire.  Soto is younger than Adley, has a career bWAR over 36, and dominated the 2019 postseason as a 21 year old. Folks probably weren't paying much attention to him or the Nats back then, but he has been a force ever since being called up in 2018. And Judge...not sure why nobody else saw value in a six and a half foot man with a ton of raw power, but good for them for nailing that 32nd pick in the draft. Having these guys 2 and 3 in the lineup is such a game changer, because there is so much pressure on the opposing pitchers to not screw up with any of their other 7 hitters.  One guy you may be able to get around.  But 2.....much harder.   That being said, I do think it is more about us losing the division than anything else.  Tampa showed us last year how to keep fighting in spite of injuries. Those guys were decimated and were like a relentless swarm of bees hanging around us all the way until the last weekend.  They won 99 games with an extremely depleted pitching staff and a slew of no-name hitters who kept coming up with big hits.  We lost this division by playing uninspired, unclutch, and lame baseball for three full months.  And amazingly, we will have gone all of July, all of August, and all of September without so much as a 4 game winning streak.   Winning the season series against every division opponent for the second year in a row is something I am very happy about after years of being a doormat. I am sorry we couldn't win the division, but I am also glad to be playing next week and not sitting at home waiting to play a team on a high after winning a playoff series. 
    • Too Tall
      The Achilles heel for this team is the bullpen

      By Too Tall · Posted

      It's game 160 tonight and we just discovered our bull pen has warts? Elias's fault, Hyde's fault - we've had ample threads of he sucks, they suck, fire him, demote him, etc.  Well we are off to the playoffs and the pen may be the reason we don't go far. And if so I doubt few on here will be surprised. It is what it is going forward with some but not necessarily significant adjustments. We play this year out with the hand we can put together - next Monday. Till then, just win one in Minnasota for the bottom line. Last night is over and IMO really didn't teach us anything we didn't already know. 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...