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This wholly misunderstands the role of FA purchases on a team undergoing a systemic rebuild.

It's as important as, say, "we get a new scoreboard and the Yankees build a new stadium."

I understand where you're coming from. We need to rebuild. I understand that, but we're not the only team with young talent. Check out the Redsox, They have young talent falling out their ears. We can go back and forth till the cows come home. The fact is We need a mixture of FA, Trades and Young talent like the best teams in baseball do. You can rebuild in the AL cenrtral or west ,but not the AL east. We need a 3rd baseman like a flower needs rain. Was Wiggy the answer? A good FA is needed at 3rd. I'm not saying we should sign FA like the Yankees, but we do need one or two. Most people here would be happy with a .500 team. I'm not one of them. I want a world series championship back in baltimore where it belongs.

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Our FA signings right now relative to the Yanks are irrelevant. We're lapping them in developing talent, and that's what matters.

The real question is whether or not AM will pull the trigger when the need arises.

Now we're on the same page. We shouldn't piss money away like the Yankees do. As you have said when the need arises.

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Has it ever occured to you that the talent in this draft isn't what Jim Callis, Keith Law, yer boy Churchill, etc... hyped it to be?

What is your malfunction during the draft?

I agree

if those guys knew what they were doing

well

they would be running a team instead of running mouths

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And historically, he never has, in FA anyway.

But considering the FA market is lousy this offseason, I don't really want him to as it was this past offseason that we should have spent.

However if bats like Gonzalez and Cabrera become available, the O's need to go after them as they have the chips and $ to get those two.

? I know I'm new, but is he on crack? Gonzalez might be available, but I dont think Cabrera is, Im not so sure we give up what it takes to get them anyway, We have seen some decent (and thats a stretch) pitching over the past few weeks, certainly an upgrade over eaton and hendrickson in the rotation. However that being stated, You dont give up good, young, pitching prospects for semi aging talent. Especially that even if you do add one of those, Where does it put us? Without pitching, we are useless, especially in this division, I know the Blue Jays are winning because of all the huge bats they have in their lineup right now, oh wait, my bad its Halladay that is bringing it home for them, Look I could see if we have 7 stud pitchers and we happened to be one hitter away from a wildcard or division, but the fact remains we are not. Andy Mcphail this, Andy Mcphail that, He is the reason you even have some hope you wallowing fool. Im sure he eeked you out in the race for orioles GM, and thats why you are so ignorant to the promise that lurks on our doorstep, but please lets trade it all away for glen davis, I mean Gonzalez. You and your thoughts in this matter, are pathetic.

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? I know I'm new, but is he on crack? Gonzalez might be available, but I dont think Cabrera is, Im not so sure we give up what it takes to get them anyway, We have seen some decent (and thats a stretch) pitching over the past few weeks, certainly an upgrade over eaton and hendrickson in the rotation. However that being stated, You dont give up good, young, pitching prospects for semi aging talent. Especially that even if you do add one of those, Where does it put us? Without pitching, we are useless, especially in this division, I know the Blue Jays are winning because of all the huge bats they have in their lineup right now, oh wait, my bad its Halladay that is bringing it home for them, Look I could see if we have 7 stud pitchers and we happened to be one hitter away from a wildcard or division, but the fact remains we are not. Andy Mcphail this, Andy Mcphail that, He is the reason you even have some hope you wallowing fool. Im sure he eeked you out in the race for orioles GM, and thats why you are so ignorant to the promise that lurks on our doorstep, but please lets trade it all away for glen davis, I mean Gonzalez. You and your thoughts in this matter, are pathetic.

And if you don't tone down your posts, you won't be here for long...

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? I know I'm new, but is he on crack? Gonzalez might be available, but I dont think Cabrera is, Im not so sure we give up what it takes to get them anyway, We have seen some decent (and thats a stretch) pitching over the past few weeks, certainly an upgrade over eaton and hendrickson in the rotation. However that being stated, You dont give up good, young, pitching prospects for semi aging talent. Especially that even if you do add one of those, Where does it put us? Without pitching, we are useless, especially in this division, I know the Blue Jays are winning because of all the huge bats they have in their lineup right now, oh wait, my bad its Halladay that is bringing it home for them, Look I could see if we have 7 stud pitchers and we happened to be one hitter away from a wildcard or division, but the fact remains we are not. Andy Mcphail this, Andy Mcphail that, He is the reason you even have some hope you wallowing fool. Im sure he eeked you out in the race for orioles GM, and thats why you are so ignorant to the promise that lurks on our doorstep, but please lets trade it all away for glen davis, I mean Gonzalez. You and your thoughts in this matter, are pathetic.

Ease up on the personal stuff.

That said, if you can actually get through to him, you'd be the first. And just about all of us have tried.

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Ease up on the personal stuff.

That said, if you can actually get through to him, you'd be the first. And just about all of us have tried.

I've always wondered when it comes to forums, that people writing them can criticize people (for instance Andy Mcphail) without ever knowing them personally, and they view that as acceptable. However should one dispense an ill feeling twords them in retort, it is considered wrong. Somewhat of a double standard I feel. Its not so nice to be on the wrong end of an accusation.

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I've always wondered when it comes to forums, that people writing them can criticize people (for instance Andy Mcphail) without ever knowing them personally, and they view that as acceptable. However should one dispense an ill feeling twords them in retort, it is considered wrong. Somewhat of a double standard I feel. Its not so nice to be on the wrong end of an accusation.

I just said that because the personal insults against another poster are something that will get you banned. Works the same for players and GMs. Criticizing their decisions and play is a different matter.

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I've always wondered when it comes to forums, that people writing them can criticize people (for instance Andy Mcphail) without ever knowing them personally, and they view that as acceptable. However should one dispense an ill feeling twords them in retort, it is considered wrong. Somewhat of a double standard I feel. Its not so nice to be on the wrong end of an accusation.

Show me where I called MacPhail a "wallowing fool."

I may critique MacPhail's actions, but I never personally attack him or any other posters on this board.

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It is not my intention to get into some form of debate over if you said this or that, (However I was not overly fond of the "Latin bonus babies"). So I am asking a real question when I say, I could call something that someone said a wallowingly foolish idea(s), and that falls within the guidlines?

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It is not my intention to get into some form of debate over if you said this or that, (However I was not overly fond of the "Latin bonus babies"). So I am asking a real question when I say, I could call something that someone said a wallowingly foolish idea(s), and that falls within the guidlines?

You can say it's a foolish idea. That's attacking the idea.

You can't say the person who said it is a fool. That's attacking the person.

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It is not my intention to get into some form of debate over if you said this or that, (However I was not overly fond of the "Latin bonus babies"). So I am asking a real question when I say, I could call something that someone said a wallowingly foolish idea(s), and that falls within the guidlines?

"Bonus baby" is a term used by many to describe high priced amateur talent.

Citing specific usages:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/04/sports/baseball-yankees-give-bonus-baby-1.6-million.html

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/cash-in-the-cradle-the-bonus-babies/

It isn't intended to be an offensive term.

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