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Andy MacPhail - Disappointing GM


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I don't think there's much evidence for #1-6. I can see why someone would think that, and some if not all may be true, not sure.

I haven't gone past the first page, but going back to what gesh said, I agree that premium free agents should for the most part be targets when the team is on the verge of contending, which I don't think was the case last off-season or this coming one. So I don't have a problem with his approach concerning free agents so far.

Overall, I think he's done a good to very good job, the moment of truth will come when it's time to push the team over the top. If that moment even arrives that is, depends on the young talent obviously.

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So 0 for 1, when that 1 was questionable, means that he probably won't in the future, is what you're going off of?

I've yet to see you, Jtrea, or anyone else with this position going over the Cubs and Twins rosters, along with potential FA's around that time, and pointing out where AM messed up by not going after a guy.

That's because it sounds real good saying he hasn't signed anyone to prove this argument of yours but it really does not have any merit.

I have yet to see you do it either...The bottom line is AM hasn't signed premium FAs...Should he have or not, I don't know.

But he hasn't and that's the point.

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I don't think there's much evidence for #1-6. I can see why someone would think that, and some if not all may be true, not sure.

I haven't gone past the first page, but going back to what gesh said, I agree that premium free agents should for the most part be targets when the team is on the verge of contending, which I don't think was the case last off-season or this coming one. So I don't have a problem with his approach concerning free agents so far.

Overall, I think he's done a good to very good job, the moment of truth will come when it's time to push the team over the top. If that moment even arrives that is, depends on the young talent obviously.

This is it in a nutshell.

I believe AM can get us to that "moment of truth" level...But can he get us over the top in this division...and on a consistent basis?

That I do not know.

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Nice that you mention Wolff and leave out Moyer, who you also advised us to go after. Selective memory?

Well perhaps he would have signed Wolf with Moyer as the backup?

I do agree that he should be mentioning Moyer though.

Also, I don't agree with going after Burnett that much....I would give that money to Lackey before Burnett.

I do agree with Smoak over Matusz...although the Matusz selection was excellent as well.

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OK, it's one thing for you to say that he hasn't. It's one thing for you to argue that there is good reason to think that he won't do it in the future.

I'm not the one making an argument on one side of the issue...I am just saying there's no way to know what he will do in the future based off the past in this case, especially when we are not totally familar with the circumstances surrounding his past 2 teams.

I'm saying we don't know...You are saying he isn't likely to. I'm not the one that needs to support my argument.

I don't need to either...Who do I need to support it for? You? Its my opinion based off of things he has said...I have repeatedly said that a bargain premium guy like Vlad or Tejada is someone I think he would really go after and perhaps get...But the 100+ million dollar guys aren't happening IMO...and for the most part, that will be correct...But there will be exceptions.

Show me the premium FA he has signed..Prove that I am wrong that he has signed one.

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LOL...Not for me, no. But what's the point of throwing out blanket statements on a message board with no facts to support it? Can't remember what thread it was, but you were clearly saying that there is a lot to indicate that he won't spend on a premium bat.

And you are obviously right. It is a fact that he hasn't signed a premium free agent bat. Not disputing that at all. But looking at the circumstances, it's not logical to say that his history is any kind of indication of what he will do with this organization right now in this division.

But his words and beliefs back up his history of not wanting to invest big dollars in free agency.

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But his words and beliefs back up his history of not wanting to invest big dollars in free agency.

I don't think he'll do much in free agency unless it's a clear case of being one player away but I think that has a lot more to do with being smart. I'm confident that he is not afraid to make the financial commitment to top talent. I just think it's more likely they'll be acquired like a Derek Lee, ARam, Josh Beckett, or Miguel Cabrera were acquired rather than how say Teix was acquired. This is a good thing since the odds are so stacked against teams with the mega free agents.

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I don't think he'll do much in free agency unless it's a clear case of being one player away but I think that has a lot more to do with being smart. I'm confident that he is not afraid to make the financial commitment to top talent. I just think it's more likely they'll be acquired like a Derek Lee, ARam, Josh Beckett, or Miguel Cabrera were acquired rather than how say Teix was acquired. This is a good thing since the odds are so stacked against teams with the mega free agents.

Hopefully he does do that...But as much as you hate to spend the big dollars, it is going to likely have to happen to compete with the big boys.

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This is it in a nutshell.

I believe AM can get us to that "moment of truth" level...But can he get us over the top in this division...and on a consistent basis?

That I do not know.

If you go by his twenty-one year track prior to arriving here, the answer is "no." In Minnesota, five losing seasons in nine years.

1986	MIN 	71	91	0.438	6th of 7 1987	MIN 	85	77	0.525	1st of 7 1988	MIN 	91	71	0.562	2nd of 7 1989	MIN 	80	82	0.494	5th of 7 1990	MIN 	74	88	0.457	7th of 7 1991	MIN 	95	67	0.586	1st of 7 1992	MIN 	90	72	0.556	2nd of 7 1993	MIN 	71	91	0.438	5th of 7 1994	MIN 	53	60	0.469	4th of 5 

In Chicago, seven losing seasons out of eleven.

1995	CHC	73	71	0.507	3rd of 5 1996	CHC	76	86	0.469	4th of 5 1997	CHC	68	94	0.42	5th of 5 1998	CHC	90	73	0.552	2nd of 6 1999	CHC	67	95	0.414	6th of 6 2000	CHC	65	97	0.401	6th of 6 2001	CHC	88	74	0.543	3rd of 6 2002	CHC	67	95	0.414	5th of 6 2003	CHC	88	74	0.543	1st of 6 2004	CHC	89	73	0.549	3rd of 6 2005	CHC	79	83	0.488	4th of 6 2006	CHC	66	96	0.407	6th of 6  

Whatever success he had, he was unable to sustain, and here he's arguably in a much tougher division to win.

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Hopefully he does do that...But as much as you hate to spend the big dollars, it is going to likely have to happen to compete with the big boys.

I agree but I hope we spend the big dollars to extend a some 26 year old player that another team can't afford to resign rather than giving an 8 year contract to some 30 year old FA. I absolutely hate the idea of paying 15-20m a year for a player and only getting the tail end of their peak years.

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If you go by his twenty-one year track prior to arriving here, the answer is "no." In Minnesota, five losing seasons in nine years.
1986	MIN 	71	91	0.438	6th of 7 1987	MIN 	85	77	0.525	1st of 7 1988	MIN 	91	71	0.562	2nd of 7 1989	MIN 	80	82	0.494	5th of 7 1990	MIN 	74	88	0.457	7th of 7 1991	MIN 	95	67	0.586	1st of 7 1992	MIN 	90	72	0.556	2nd of 7 1993	MIN 	71	91	0.438	5th of 7 1994	MIN 	53	60	0.469	4th of 5 

In Chicago, seven losing seasons out of eleven.

1995	CHC	73	71	0.507	3rd of 5 1996	CHC	76	86	0.469	4th of 5 1997	CHC	68	94	0.42	5th of 5 1998	CHC	90	73	0.552	2nd of 6 1999	CHC	67	95	0.414	6th of 6 2000	CHC	65	97	0.401	6th of 6 2001	CHC	88	74	0.543	3rd of 6 2002	CHC	67	95	0.414	5th of 6 2003	CHC	88	74	0.543	1st of 6 2004	CHC	89	73	0.549	3rd of 6 2005	CHC	79	83	0.488	4th of 6 2006	CHC	66	96	0.407	6th of 6  

Whatever success he had, he was unable to sustain, and here he's arguably in a much tougher division to win.

Well, I think with the Twins, 2 of those years would have been wild card contention years at best. I don't care if we make the playoffs every year. I just want it to mean something come the end of the year. If we only make it to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years or something I'm ok with it. Not happy, but if we are in it, I'm excited. Man I can't wait for the day I have a beer at OPACY in late October. My friends, the beer will surely be cold then :D

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Again, what words and beliefs? He likes to grow arms, buy bats. That isn't some revelation..maybe here becasue we have been so incompetent, but that is obviously, 100% the right way to build a team. Also recently at that dinner it was said that he would love to get a top starter if they wanted to come here. Why are you talking about Lackey so frequentlly if you don't think AM will even consider paying the price?

And also, if you are going by his words, once again, he has said that the O's need to take advantage of free agency when the time is right. He said that! Straight from his mouth! Is he lying?

Did he say he will spend big time dollars?

He just said he would take advantage of it.

Big difference.

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