Trembley's take on baserunning on the Orioles and in MLB

[JTrea81]

From Fordin's latest:

On Pie's blunder and the Orioles in general:

"I take full responsibility, but the player should be accountable," he said. "What am I going to tell Felix Pie last night when he's at second base and there's a foul ball right in front of the dugout. Do you think you're invisible?

"We just have to do better, I guess, as far as relaying information and making it a priority. Insisting, I think, is the word. I've seen a little bit of everything. Two outs, Aubrey Huff gets picked off at [first base] in Seattle. I've seen it all. And I've seen other teams in baseball. Same thing. I've seen all kinds of stuff."

Regarding Samuel's role:

"I don't buy that whatsoever," he said of Pie sharing the blame with his third-base coach. "You don't have a little sound piece in somebody's helmet out there. Baserunning is instinct. Baserunning is anticipation. The score, the situation, the number of outs, how important is my run and who's on deck. It's all instincts. The coach doesn't tell you when to go and when to stop. It's too late. When you're out there playing this game, you're on your own."

And on baserunning in MLB in general:

"I watch every game," he said. "And not only our games, I watch every game I possibly can. Late-night, I tape them, this and that. Baserunning in Major League Baseball is atrocious for the most part."

[Sports Guy]

They showed his interview...His tone and body language seemed to be from a guy desperate to hold onto his job and trying to talk to AM through the media.

[JTrea81]

I personally like this sentence:

The coach doesn't tell you when to go and when to stop. It's too late. When you're out there playing this game, you're on your own.

So why do we have base coaches? To be cheerleaders and slap you on the ass when you hit a HR?

Trembley might want to read this.

[waroriole]

I personally like this sentence:

So why do we have base coaches? To be cheerleaders and slap you on the ass when you hit a HR?

What do you think he's gonna say? Yes, Samuel sucks I would like to fire him right now.

[JTrea81]

What do you think he's gonna say? Yes, Samuel sucks I would like to fire him right now.

He has the power to do it. It's his coaching staff.

[Frobby]

Trembley's not going to call out his coaches while they are here. I will be surprised if Samuel is back, regardless of whether Trembley is back or not.

Yes there is plenty of bad baserunning in MLB, but the Orioles lead the pack at -19 EQBRR. It has generally been better since the break but yesterday was a notable exception.

[Hank Scorpio]

He has the power to do it. It's his coaching staff.

Hello, I'm Earth.

Have we met?

[waroriole]

He has the power to do it. It's his coaching staff.

He may, but it doesn't mean it's the right or diplomatic thing to do. I know you thrive on retribution and punishment when someone makes mistakes, but sometimes you have to handle things behind closed doors. I would be surprised to see Samuel return next year.

[Hank Scorpio]

I personally like this sentence:

So why do we have base coaches? To be cheerleaders and slap you on the ass when you hit a HR?

Trembley might want to read this.

I personally like that sentence too, because it is 1000% correct.

You have base coaches to relay signs and to give stop signs or run signs. The first base coach will give a scouting report on any given guy's move and yell, "BACK" when he's throwing to first base.

The third base coach is there to determine when someone should slide or not, whether they should keep running or stop, and to relay signs to the hitter and/or runners on base.

It's most certainly not his job to say, "Hey Felix, lets try to tag up on this popup to the dugout." That is the baserunner's decision. Baserunning IS instinct for the most part. In fact, most of baseball is instinct once the game starts. The coaching staff (including Trembley) has very little (if anything at all) to do with the players actual performance on the field. His job is to fill out the lineup card and take the blame for the player's performances if they lose the game, and give the players all the credit if they win the game.

I understand why people need a scapegoat, but even most pitching decisions are co-made with the pitching coach.

The players are responsible for their performance on the field.

Danys Baez just walked Denard Span to lead off the 8th inning. Who's fault is that?

[Hank Scorpio]

"I don't buy that whatsoever," he said of Pie sharing the blame with his third-base coach. "You don't have a little sound piece in somebody's helmet out there. Baserunning is instinct. Baserunning is anticipation. The score, the situation, the number of outs, how important is my run and who's on deck. It's all instincts. The coach doesn't tell you when to go and when to stop. It's too late. When you're out there playing this game, you're on your own."

This is absolutely gospel truth.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I personally like that sentence too, because it is 1000% correct.

You have base coaches to relay signs and to give stop signs or run signs. The first base coach will give a scouting report on any given guy's move and yell, "BACK" when he's throwing to first base.

The third base coach is there to determine when someone should slide or not, whether they should keep running or stop, and to relay signs to the hitter and/or runners on base.

It's most certainly not his job to say, "Hey Felix, lets try to tag up on this popup to the dugout." That is the baserunner's decision. Baserunning IS instinct for the most part. In fact, most of baseball is instinct once the game starts. The coaching staff (including Trembley) has very little (if anything at all) to do with the players actual performance on the field. His job is to fill out the lineup card and take the blame for the player's performances if they lose the game, and give the players all the credit if they win the game.

I understand why people need a scapegoat, but even most pitching decisions are co-made with the pitching coach.

The players are responsible for their performance on the field.

Danys Baez just walked Denard Span to lead off the 8th inning. Who's fault is that?

Trembley's for bringing in Baez :cussing:

[waroriole]

Trembley's for bringing in Baez :cussing:

Well someone has to be punished for that walk, might as well be DT.

[JTrea81]

Samuel himself has some harsh words:

"For some reason, they're not processing it," said Samuel, who has served as the Orioles' base running coach the past three seasons. "It's just a lack of concentration because they know. They are major league players or at least we think some of them are. To me, some of them are not. Some of them to me have to be thankful that expansion came because some of them wouldn't be here. Some of the stuff that you see them do is not OK. You're going to tell me that they are in the big leagues and don't know how to run the bases?"

Wow...

[ChicagoBird]

Similar article in the Sun with quotes from Trembley and Samuel.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-osside826,0,6908901.story

Some of the quotes in this story are true head-scratchers.

From Samuel: "It's just a lack of concentration because they know. They are major league players or at least we think some of them are. To me, some of them are not. Some of them to me have to be thankful that expansion came because some of them wouldn't be here. ... It has never bothered me to take criticism ... I'm man enough to do it. If they don't want to make the players accountable, then I'm going to be accountable."

From Trembley: "I take full responsibility, but the player should be accountable. ..."

For two guys that are willing to "take responsibility," they are amazingly quick to deflect that "responsibility" right back onto the players. Not that I think that the players are without blame here, because certainly they are very much at fault. I just think that it's a sign of poor leadership to say "I'm responsible, but it's really all his fault." I'd be willing to bet that neither Samuel or Trembley is with the O's next year.

[JTrea81]

I can tell it's going to be a real fun month of September in the Orioles clubhouse.

Not too sure what players are going to think about Samuel when he comes out swinging like that.

This coaching staff is as good as gone IMO...