What An Embarrassment

[Satyr3206]

And it's not even true. The Red Sox haven't had more than a few losing season in a row in like a half a century. The Yankees have never in their history had a stretch like the Orioles.

The Cubs have had a few stretches like the Orioles and you couldn't pay people to get out to Wrigley.

Red Sox Record

http://www.bostonspastime.com/history/boston.html

Yankees Record

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/

Like I said, both have had down periods.

[Mackus]

Red Sox Record

http://www.bostonspastime.com/history/boston.html

Yankees Record

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/

Like I said, both have had down periods.

And how was attendance during those periods?

And how was the Orioles attendance during the earlier years of our stretch? We were still drawing over 3 million fans well into it.

Your point has little merit.

[NewMarketSean]

Don't forget, these are "prime games" too, which means more expensive. Double no thanks.

[frankpembleton]

Red Sox Record

http://www.bostonspastime.com/history/boston.html

Yankees Record

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/

Like I said, both have had down periods.

So the Red Sox have had 6 losing seasons in the last 42 years and the Yankees have had 6 losing seasons in the last 42 years -that's what I get from that.

The Orioles have had 12 losing seasons in the last 12 years.

Seriously, this is the comparison you are trying to make?

Also, what was their attendance during their so called "down periods."

[Satyr3206]

And how was attendance during those periods?

And how was the Orioles attendance during the earlier years of our stretch? We were still drawing over 3 million fans well into it.

Your point has little merit.

The Red Sox have always drawn well probably because they have all of New England as a fan base. The Yankees I'm not sure of but I will check. My only point was that large market teams tend to draw well even in periods of poor play where medium to small market teams don't. Wasn't really trying to make a point, just stating the obvious.

And during the years you mention the Nationals weren't in existence.

[OK_Os_Fan]

Seems lame to call out Os fans for not supporting a team that has not played competitive baseball for the better part of a decade.

When the team begins to win on a regular basis you will get more local fans.

You will get bandwagon fans if they ever manage to win it all. That is what bandwagon fans do!

Personally I get to any O's game I can be it in Texas or Kansas City. On the rare occassion that I am in MD I go see them IF they are in town.

To wrap. This just seems like a petty whiney post to me.

JMHO.

Go Os

[Tx Oriole]

Don't forget, these are "prime games" too, which means more expensive. Double no thanks.

I beleive it is the cost for some people. In Dallas at the Cowboys new stadium it cost 75 dollars for parking and 125.00 dollars for a ticket to the game. I don't know what it is with MLB games but goodness if it costs near that I could never attend a game.

[Satyr3206]

I refer to Yankees and Red Sox fans in Camden Yards as a target rich environment.

[TiredofLosing20]

And how was attendance during those periods?

And how was the Orioles attendance during the earlier years of our stretch? We were still drawing over 3 million fans well into it.

Your point has little merit.

Well Boston had 3 straight losing seasons 1992-1994, attendance dropped 31% from 1991 to 1994

NY had a 4 year streak of losing seasons 1989-1992 attendance dropped 34% from 1988 to 1992

Yeah much better fans.

[Goop]

OPACY isn't the only stadium that gets taken over. Next time either Boston or NY is on national TV (which is every freaking night) on the road, you'll see other parks taken over as well. Seattle and LA both come to mind and they are 3,000 miles away....that's ridiculous! The exposure they get from the national media is just more fuel for the fire for casual fans to jump on the bandwagon.

That being said, I've tried to do my part. I'm a season ticket holder and drive from Richmond to come to games. I've been to 2 Yankee games and 4 RS games this year. Does it get annoying to have to sit amongst their fans? Obviously, but we need to stand up to these ass clowns and make it known that we still have pride in our team and that we still care.

[Satyr3206]

This will all be a moot point in a year or two.

[TiredofLosing20]

Well Boston had 3 straight losing seasons 1992-1994, attendance dropped 31% from 1991 to 1994

NY had a 4 year streak of losing seasons 1989-1992 attendance dropped 34% from 1988 to 1992

Yeah much better fans.

For the record we lost 30% of our attendance from 1997 (last winning season) in 2006

[waroriole]

I think raising prices actually has the opposite effect. Those fans are going to come regardless. However, an Oriole fan is certainly not going to "pay up" to go to the game. Make it cheaper for an actual orioles fan to go to those games. If you buy 4 tickets to non-prime game, get a FREE Yankees/Red Sox ticket.

This is the biggest thing. Why should I pay more to go to a game against the MFY's or $ox. You can go to any other game, get better seats for cheaper, not have to deal with a-hole fans, and see your team have a better chance at winning. It seems that most of the people calling this an embarassment are not close enough to put their money where their mouth is.

[stomperspc]

You can't blame the O's fans.

The bottom line is that the Yankee and Red Sox fans are here to stay until the Orioles field a winning team. There just simply aren't enough Orioles' fans who are willing to pay higher per game ticket prices for the "opportunity" to sit round tens of thousands of opposing teams fans and watch the Orioles (more likle than not) lose. Can you really blame them?

I live a few blocks from OPACY and go to a ton of games, Yankee and Red Sox games included. I always go with the intent of "doing my part" and cheering on the Orioles. I leave every game against those teams wondering why I bother. The experience is almost never a fun one. If the opposing team's fans aren't right out ridiculing me for rooting for the Orioles, they are just making it a frustrating and unplesant experiece with their constant cheering for the opposing team. It doesn't help that the Orioles will lose to the Yankees and Red Sox more often than not.

If you don't go to a lot of Yankee/Red Sox games, you might not understand how unplesant of an experience it can be for an Oriole fan. I am sure there are some personalities that can take it and might even enjoy it, but I'd venture to say that most people don't feel that way. Can you really blame someone for not wanting to spend their hard earned money and spare time on what is most likely going to be an unplesant experience?

There is no magic formula right now to get rid of the visiting fans. They are here to stay until the team starts getting better and more people feel they can go to the game without having a bad experience. It stinks, but it is at the point now where we just have to grin and bare it, because it will get better soon. Getting angry at people not subjecting themselves to an unfun night out isn't the solution. It just becomes a game of "I'm a better fan than you".

Like I said, I still go to these games (I'll be going tonight) but I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to go to Yankee and Red Sox games. They just generally aren't as fun as other games and not worth the "prime ticket" price.

[ChaosLex]

Heck, I don't even watch the O's games against the Skanks/Sux on television.

If not going to an O's game at the stadium makes someone a "bad fan," I'd hate to think what not even watching the games makes me. :laughlol: