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Actually not much different, the only big one being a college guy to a HS guy.

Yeah, they both have the same pedigree, just not the same track record. But then, Hobgood by default has the higher ceiling than Matusz. One thing thats enevr discussed in these situations though is that some rankers put more emphasis on safer higher floor players and others go more toward upside and ceiling.

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But that college experience is a huge deal. The level of competition completely blows away the even the top competition in high school.

Not always. It's kinda hard to explain though. The elite HS guys are usually better than the elite college guys, the problem is that they aren't on the same level at the same time. A guy like Matusz when he was drafted by the Angels out of HS wasn't as good as Hobby was when he came out. The question is do you think that Hobby with professional instruction will develop more than other guys that went to college after 3 years?

A lot of the college guys go there because they couldn't get drafted, whereas the top HS kids play in travel leagues and stuff against other top round talent, so the difference isn't as bad as you think. Not to mention how they are utilized in college with coaches trying to win, not trying to develop.

It's like what Tony, Crawdad and Frobby were talking about earlier, you can't really compare apples to oranges, you just have to hope that your prediction about the end result is right at the time you see it.

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Yeah, they both have the same pedigree, just not the same track record. But then, Hobgood by default has the higher ceiling than Matusz. One thing thats enevr discussed in these situations though is that some rankers put more emphasis on safer higher floor players and others go more toward upside and ceiling.

Exactly, and there is nothing wrong with either, but like Tony said, you just have to hope that your assessment is correct no matter which you put more weight on.

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Matusz's situation was very, very different from Hobgood's.

Not really. One was picked fourth in the first round, the other fifth. Matusz did not play after signing.

If one believes that Hobgood was an early first round talent based on merit, he should be ranked ahead of Erbe at this point in time, IMO.

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Not really. One was picked fourth in the first round, the other fifth. Matusz did not play after signing.

If one believes that Hobgood was an early first round talent based on merit, he should be ranked ahead of Erbe at this point in time, IMO.

So is the corollary also true - if one does not believe that Hobgood was an early first round talent based on merit, should he then be ranked behind Erbe? :)

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pitching wise it's Britton and everyone else.

It'll be interesting to see if Tony and the major publications agree with you. That GB rate is amazing and his stats match up well. Still, Arrieta is a top prospect for a reason. Given the fact that he's in AAA, I still have him #1.

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It'll be interesting to see if Tony and the major publications agree with you. That GB rate is amazing and his stats match up well. Still, Arrieta is a top prospect for a reason. Given the fact that he's in AAA, I still have him #1.

I have a feeling that Britton is going to become a top 50 after next season, he is headed toward elite status no doubt......

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It'll be interesting to see if Tony and the major publications agree with you. That GB rate is amazing and his stats match up well. Still, Arrieta is a top prospect for a reason. Given the fact that he's in AAA, I still have him #1.

I hope turns out to be a #1, but at this point, other pitching prospects have emerged that will soon/have already passed him on the prospect lists...

If Spoone comes back and is throwing like he was, he is our #1 prospect by far. Keep in mind that last year in Bowie before his injury, he was the #1 starter ahead of Tillman, Bergy, Berken, and Hernandez. His stuff is that nasty, maybe the best curve in the system, including current Orioles.

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I think there are a lot of different opinions on him. Callis does not think he'll crack the top 100.

I think he's earning respect, and he's on the radar now, but he'll have to have a successful season at AA before he makes waves on the national lists. You might see him as "ones to watch" or something, but I just haven't been hearing the buzz.

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I hope turns out to be a #1, but at this point, other pitching prospects have emerged that will soon/have already passed him on the prospect lists...

If Spoone comes back and is throwing like he was, he is our #1 prospect by far. Keep in mind that last year in Bowie before his injury, he was the #1 starter ahead of Tillman, Bergy, Berken, and Hernandez. His stuff is that nasty, maybe the best curve in the system, including current Orioles.

You do realize that Britton had better numbers in 09 than Spoone ever did? His GB rates my have also been better but Im not sure. I dont think that Spoone from this point will overtake Britton. If the injury didint set back Spoone, it may be equal, but thats a HUGE setback developmentally....

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