Who would you trade for... Uggla/Cantu?

[byrdz]

Roch is saying a second tier starter would get it done. I guess that means a Hernandez or Erbe . . . straight up? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Ok good, I would do this as well, hopefully our second tier weill better than Boston's and SF's.

[crawdad]

I'm pretty sure that would still be tampering. Look at what happened to A-Rod.

Fine line, but it happens.

[Lucky Jim]

What is the upside of Uggla over Wigginton? Just curious.

[paulcoates]

I wonder where Bundy and Beal would rank on their charts.

Besides guys like Erbe, Drake and Johnson, I don't know what else they could offer that would match up as "second tier"

[Ruzious]

Roch is saying a second tier starter would get it done. I guess that means a Hernandez or Erbe . . . straight up? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I'd guess it's Erbe. I hope it's Hernandez and a mid level prospect or 2.

[Mackus]

Roch is saying a second tier starter would get it done. I guess that means a Hernandez or Erbe . . . straight up? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I'm really high on both of those guys, but I think I might have to make that trade.

[Scrat1]

What is the upside of Uggla over Wigginton? Just curious.

This is what I was thinking as well. If Wigginton bounces back to his normal 780-800 OPS range, I think I'd rather have him and Erbe/Hernandez than both Wigginton and Uggla, unless MacPhail has a lot of other moves in his head, which wouldn't surprise me.

[Mackus]

What is the upside of Uggla over Wigginton? Just curious.

Better offense and better defense plus not having to hope for a resurgence to previous levels.

I suppose there is a chance that Uggla is worse at 3B defensively than Wigginton. He's not a good defensive 2B, but he's a better 2B than Wigginton is either a 3B or 1B, so I think Uggla will still have the better glove at 3B, although its certainly up for debate.

[Mackus]

I wonder where Bundy and Beal would rank on their charts.

Besides guys like Erbe, Drake and Johnson, I don't know what else they could offer that would match up as "second tier"

Our second tier is Hernandez, Erbe, Britton, Johnson and those guys.

The first tier is Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, and now Bergesen.

[Lucky Jim]

This is what I was thinking as well. If Wigginton bounces back to his normal 780-800 OPS range, I think I'd rather have him and Erbe/Hernandez than both Wigginton and Uggla, unless MacPhail has a lot of other moves in his head, which wouldn't surprise me.

I think that Uggla has a tick more power, and may field a tick better, but is it worth the talent off-load? W/ Uggla's generally mediocre OPS (only one year above .820) I think the odds are we're looking at a .780-.820 guy in Uggla, too. Heck, Uggla's been better at home than away, so no South Beach Discount for playing in Florida.

He walked nearly 100 times this year and still only managed a .354 OBP.

[crawdad]

I'd guess it's Erbe. I hope it's Hernandez and a mid level prospect or 2.

Minor league wise I could see second tier starter meaning Erbe, Britton, or Arrieta.

All of those guys are probably in the B- to B+ range.

[Art Wing]

I would love to have Uggla.

[JackO]

I would trade Steve Johnson and David Hernandez...

Think it's crazy?

Here's why:

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90103

[paulcoates]

Our second tier is Hernandez, Erbe, Britton, Johnson and those guys.

The first tier is Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, and now Bergesen.

and Hobgood and maybe Coffey, but I don't think those guys are tradeable anyway.

[Lucky Jim]

Better offense and better defense plus not having to hope for a resurgence to previous levels.

I suppose there is a chance that Uggla is worse at 3B defensively than Wigginton. He's not a good defensive 2B, but he's a better 2B than Wigginton is either a 3B or 1B, so I think Uggla will still have the better glove at 3B, although its certainly up for debate.

How much better offense? And is it guaranteed to say consistently good?

I'm not all that sure about defense. I do know that Wiggintons SSS numbers at 2B are comparable to last year's Uggla.

I guess what I'm saying is that I wouldn't trade real talent for Wigginton. And I definitely wouldn't trade real talent for Wigginton if I already had Wigginton.