Who would you trade for... Uggla/Cantu?

[Scrat1]

I think that Uggla has a tick more power, and may field a tick better, but is it worth the talent off-load. W/ Uggla's generally mediocre OPS (only one year above .820) I think the odds are we're looking at a .780-.820 guy in Uggla, too. Heck, Uggla's been better at home than away, so no South Beach Discount for playing in Florida.

He walked nearly 100 times this year and still only managed a .354 OBP.

Are you disagreeing with me or simply adding to my point? I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm honestly not sure. Because I think we're agreeing.

[Lucky Jim]

Are you disagreeing with me or simply adding to my point? I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm honestly not sure. Because I think we're agreeing.

I was rallying your post to my support. Consider your post drafted into my army.

[crawdad]

Our second tier is Hernandez, Erbe, Britton, Johnson and those guys.

The first tier is Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, and now Bergesen.

Why would it be our second tier as opposed to second tier in general?

[Sports Guy]

Would you trade JJ and Steve Johnson for Uggla?

[Robbie]

Fine line, but it happens.

you go from

"Yes . . . you can talk to the agents."

to

"You cannot directly communicate to the players, but generalities can be struck up with agents,"

to

"Fine line, but it happens."

You are not allowed to do it, period. Scott asked if we can. Don't answer a question that you do not know the answer to.

[Stotle]

Would you trade JJ and Steve Johnson for Uggla?

Who woudn't?

[Art Wing]

Would you trade JJ and Steve Johnson for Uggla?

No, that's too much for me. Would you do it?

[Art Wing]

Who woudn't?

Me.

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[Mackus]

How much better offense? And is it guaranteed to say consistently good?

I'm not all that sure about defense. I do know that Wiggintons SSS numbers at 2B are comparable to last year's Uggla.

Obviously nothing is guaranteed. I will say that I think its guaranteed that I'll be expecting better things from Uggla than from Wigginton over the next few years at least, for whatever that's worth.

Uggla's last 4 years have been worth 11.0, 10.9, 24.4, and 14.5 RAA. Those are wOBAs of .347, .345, .372, and .354 to compare to Wiggy since they won't be close to the same amount of playing time. I'd say a .350 wOBA is a fair expectation from Uggla.

Wiggy has had wOBAs of .340, .349, .370, and .311 the past 4 years, RAAs of 8.4, 5.8, 15.4, and -6.4. So if you think he bounces back a bit, Uggla might not be a huge upgrade.

Its just one projection tool, but Bill James has Uggla at a .351 wOBA next year and Wigginton for .335. I had tried a while ago to fit a curve to see exactly what RAA each wOBA represents, but I lost it. Would be interesting to see what those wOBAs mean in terms of runs for similar playing time.

[Sports Guy]

Who woudn't?

I would prefer to deal JJ to DH and Erbe...Do you agree with that?

[Lucky Jim]

Obviously nothing is guaranteed. I will say that I think its guaranteed that I'll be expecting better things from Uggla than from Wigginton over the next few years at least, for whatever that's worth.

Uggla's last 4 years have been worth 11.0, 10.9, 24.4, and 14.5 RAA. Those are wOBAs of .347, .345, .372, and .354 to compare to Wiggy since they won't be close to the same amount of playing time. I'd say a .350 wOBA is a fair expectation from Uggla.

Wiggy has had wOBAs of .340, .349, .370, and .311 the past 4 years, RAAs of 8.4, 5.8, 15.4, and -6.4. So if you think he bounces back a bit, Uggla might not be a huge upgrade.

Its just one projection tool, but Bill James has Uggla at a .351 wOBA next year and Wigginton for .335. I had tried a while ago to fit a curve to see exactly what RAA each wOBA represents, but I lost it. Would be interesting to see what those wOBAs mean in terms of runs for similar playing time.

Thanks for that. Interesting symmetry, though. I think this is a close call. I lean towards the "too much alike to make the move" but I see why people disagree.

[Crazysilver03]

I would prefer to deal JJ to DH and Erbe...Do you agree with that?

I would prefer that, but why would the Marlins?

Johnson would be arbitration eligible after next season, thus leading to the Marlins considering to trade him in a season or two.

[crawdad]

you go from

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You are not allowed to do it, period. Scott asked if we can. Don't answer a question that you do not know the answer to.

Yes, agents are allowed to talk generalities with teams.

You might want to brush up on how things work. Probably want to brush up on your manners, too.

[Robbie]

Uggla makes a lot of sense as a relatively inexpensive RH power bat (3 yrs with 30+ home runs in a big home park). Put him in OPACY and stick him at 3B (sacrifice defense for power and boost the offensive output of the club).

Uggla makes a lot of sense if he doesn't cost too much in a trade. He may very well be one of the right handed power bats Andy wants and I don't blame him. Now the question is, what would he cost?

What is the Marlin's area of need? I agree with the Erbe + Joseph projection he won't cost TOP talent but a solid B pitching prospect and a catcher with a lot of upside seems fair. I mean the guy does hit 30+ home runs in a huge home ball park. I could easily see 30-35 home runs playing for Baltimore even against superior talent because the parks are so much smaller. Uggla is a good first step, but there is more offensive work to be done. Add a solid DH option like Matsui and the offense is starting to look pretty good.

2B Roberts

CF Jones

RF Markakis

C Wieters

DH Matsui

3B Uggla

LF Reimold

1B Snyder

SS Izturis

Man... 1 - 7 looks really good. Look at that middle lineup 2 switch hitters and a RH power bat - that combo would plays well against lefties and righties.

Problem is you end with 3 right handed hitters, a switch hitter who hits a lot better right handed, a switch hitter who hits a decent amount better right handed by not an enormous amount, and another right handed hitter all back to back.

[crawdad]

No, that's too much for me. Would you do it?

Really? You sure?