Time to trade Felix Pie

[waroriole]

Why? I mean I like him too but if he is starter quality and we have holes on our team he could be more valuable to us being spun off into other pieces.

He should get us something significant, not just dumping him for nothing.

Because if we give him more time to develop he can become more than "starter quality." He has all the tools to be an All-Star caliber player, so why not give him the chance to turn into that with us. Then, next year, if we still need to upgrade elsewhere we'll have a better and more proven player to dangle in front of other clubs. Or, maybe we offer a GG winning, All-Star 24 y/o CF (Jones).

[Moose Milligan]

Why? I mean I like him too but if he is starter quality and we have holes on our team he could be more valuable to us being spun off into other pieces.

He should get us something significant, not just dumping him for nothing.

Because I think he can become just as capable in LF as he is in CF. I think he has the tools, he just needs to learn the difference in flyball tendencies that come from playing a corner spot. He's shown himself to be a quick study, willing to learn.

He still has a lot of room to develop offensively. We can sit here and guess what his ceiling will be but no one really knows for certain.

I still think our best lineup is with him in LF and Reimold at DH. I think both players would benefit greatly.

And we got him for Garrett Olson. The Orioles used to be the franchise on the ass end of moves like those, it feels good to finally be on the good side.

[clapdiddy]

Trading Pie would be beyond stupid right now. Montanez isn't close to being able to replace Pie.

I'd really love to see us move Scott and let Reimold be the full time DH, who plays LF against real tough lefties and when Pie moves to CF to give Jones a day off.

[Lucky Jim]

According to Roch's newest post

http://masnsports.com/2009/12/the-outfield-and-more-on-steve.html

Felix has no real role on this team outside of CF or fourth outfielder.

the team views Jones as the CF of the present and future and Pie was atrocious in left and not a significant upgrade over Riemold.

Given that I think we need to trade Felix, he is too good to be a fourth outfielder and Lou Montanez can do that just as effectively. If Felix is good enough to be a starter somewhere in the league, what could we get for him?

Felix was hardly atrocious in left. If Roch is going to read Fangraphs, he ought to actually pay attention.

That opinion invalidates almost every bit of analysis he offers.

[TyCobb]

It'd be stupid to trade him.

Because we aren't going to get any value for him?

It would be stupid to move Reimold to DH without letting him get used to LF.

He has been a RF/CF in the minors and was moved to LF last season. He had an Achilles heel injury that was obviously causing pain when he was running the bases (he was still one of the fastest players on the team). I would think that would hurt his range in the OF. Though it is a terrible small sample size he had a +3 ARM with that -13 RngR.

Has anyone seen Bill James projection for this kid?

James believes Nolan has the chance to be our best hitter with 102.3 wRC (only Nick Markakis has a better projected bat). That is 3 WAR just for his bat. A UZR/150 of -7.5 or better puts him at 3+ WAR player.

[Lucky Jim]

BTW Felix played LF primarily early in the season when he was just learning the position. Even so FB had him at a -3 to Remold's -15. Roch may not think it's a significant difference, but I do.

UZR/150 of 19.4 despite learning a new position. Even in a small sample, there's no way that Roch's analysis holds water.

[McNulty]

I still think our best lineup is with him in LF and Reimold at DH. I think both players would benefit greatly.

I'd go with Pie in LF, Reimold at 1B and Scott at DH as our optimal right now. That assumes Reimold can play first of course. I know there is zero chance of us doing this but it would be my course of action if I were in charge.

[Moose Milligan]

Because we aren't going to get any value for him?

It would be stupid to move Reimold to DH without letting him get used to LF.

He has been a RF/CF in the minors and was moved to LF last season. He had an Achilles heel injury that was obviously causing pain when he was running the bases (he was still one of the fastest players on the team). I would think that would hurt his range in the OF. Though it is a terrible small sample size he had a +3 ARM with that -13 RngR.

Has anyone seen Bill James projection for this kid?

James believes Nolan has the chance to be our best hitter with 102.3 wRC (only Nick Markakis has a better projected bat). That is 3 WAR just for his bat. A UZR/150 of -7.5 or better puts him at 5+ WAR player.

Pie is faster and overall more gifted as an outfielder than Reimold. I don't think that's really up for debate.

[JTrea81]

Trading Pie is smart because he's got a ton of hype because of that one good month in August and you might be selling high on him.

And he is more valuable as a trade chip than as a 4th OFer. We could sign Rocco Baldelli for instance and get the same if not better performance out of that spot and get something that we need that we can't get on the FA market or internally.

There are plenty of teams looking for cheap OF help that could have parts and pieces that we need.

[Moose Milligan]

I'd go with Pie in LF, Reimold at 1B and Scott at DH as our optimal right now. That assumes Reimold can play first of course. I know there is zero chance of us doing this but it would be my course of action if I were in charge.

I'd be fine with this, too.

[Ooooooohhhh!!!!]

It'd be stupid to trade him.

As is the case with all threads of this nature it depends on who we'd get back. Perhaps another GM has a man crush on Felix. You just don't know.

[clapdiddy]

I'd be fine with this, too.

Same here...if Reimold were able to play 1B, it would be fabulous.

[TyCobb]

Pie is faster and overall more gifted as an outfielder than Reimold. I don't think that's really up for debate.

Pie may be faster, but it is definitely close. (this is with Reimold injury)

From what I saw with my eye, Reimold has a stronger arm.

Pie looks to have a better jump/path on balls than Reimold, but sample size is ridiculously small.

I don't think Pie bat will be anywhere near Reimolds next season.

[golden1]

Any chance he could net us one of the shortstops from the Nats, Desmond or Espinosa? It may make sense for both sides depending on how they view Morgan in center.

[Moose Milligan]

As is the case with all threads of this nature it depends on who we'd get back. Perhaps another GM has a man crush on Felix. You just don't know.

I'm not sure what we could get that we really need for someone who we project to be a 4th OF for 2010. A hotshot 3b or SS prospect?

And if thats the case, why would some GM be willing to so quickly part with something that has more value than an outfielder?

I agree you're right it depends on who we get back, but I just don't see us getting someone who can bring to the table what Pie can do right now...and what he has the potential to become.