Should we have signed Holliday for 7/120 with a Full NTC

[TiredofLosing20]

Just goes to show you how much I love Orioles baseball and talking Orioles baseball.

And how badly I want this team to win.

Nobody questions your Fandom Trea... Just your sanity..

[MikeAD]

Just goes to show you how much I love Orioles baseball and talking Orioles baseball.

And how badly I want this team to win.

I certainly don't blame you for loving your team, we all do. Keep on man, eventually it will all work out and we will all be happy. We're just going to all have different opinions on how to get there.

[Mackus]

Getting into a land war in Asia is a sounder strategy than the Orioles beating a 7/$120M full NTC offer to Holliday.

[LookinUp]

Interestingly, we'd have obviously had to beat this deal to sign Holliday, though we don't know by how much. I wonder what the cost/years threshold would have been for the 6 voters who favored the deal.

I honestly get the feeling that Trea would have supported anything up to 9/180.

[byrdz]

Down with NTC's!

[ShaneDawg85]

For the Cardinals sake, they'd better hope that Pujols resigns. Otherwise, the Holliday deal will look even worse.

[Lucky Jim]

Interestingly, we'd have obviously had to beat this deal to sign Holliday, though we don't know by how much. I wonder what the cost/years threshold would have been for the 6 voters who favored the deal.

I honestly get the feeling that Trea would have supported anything up to 9/180.

I honestly think Trea will think the Orioles have 'won' when they give out a $100m contract, regardless of whether it leads to actual wins or not.

[DrungoHazewood]

Getting into a land war in Asia is a sounder strategy than the Orioles beating a 7/$120M full NTC offer to Holliday.

I'd sooner go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

[SilentJames]

I'd sooner go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

Curse you Drungo - I was going to say that.

[Mackus]

I'd sooner go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

Trick question: the Sicilian is defending the land in Asia!

[LookinUp]

I honestly think Trea will think the Orioles have 'won' when they give out a $100m contract, regardless of whether it leads to actual wins or not.

I agree. I get the sense that he's more concerned with "doing something big" than whether or not that something big is reasonable.

If there is an actual methodology to what he'd be supportive of, in terms of $$ and years, I'd be interested to hear it and try to understand his bounds a little more.

[Mackus]

I agree. I get the sense that he's more concerned with "doing something big" than whether or not that something big is reasonable.

That's absolutely the case and is true of several other posters around here. MSK in particular.

They can deny it all they want, but ultimately their reasons for making these hugely stupid moves come down to "they have to do something!"

These folks are much more interested in sending messages to the fans than they are in actually producing a winning product.

[LookinUp]

That's absolutely the case and is true of several other posters around here. MSK in particular.

They can deny it all they want, but ultimately their reasons for making these hugely stupid moves come down to "they have to do something!"

These folks are much more interested in sending messages to the fans than they are in actually producing a winning product.

The thing is that it's not unreasonable as long as it has some sort of definitional component.

Maybe you're willing to spend 20%/year and 2 years over a player's expected value. At least that's debatable.

The generic, "we need a big bat in the middle of the lineup" stuff isn't debatable. Of course we do. Everyone agrees. The details just matter more to some than others. I think it comes down to people who just think differently from one another.

[fernandodfcosta]

For the Cardinals sake, they'd better hope that Pujols resigns. Otherwise, the Holliday deal will look even worse.

I think the Sox wil offer him 5-150 after 2011 and sing H Ramirez too!!!! (Marlins will move him when he becomes expensive after 2011)

[emmett16]

Maybe MacPhail's strategy was to up the ante on Holliday so that they can't afford Pujols when he becomes a FA. And there you have you big right handed bat right in time for the strong playoff push.