Who were the best Oriole clutch hitters?

[O Man]

millar was pretty clutch in my opinion

[ShaneDawg85]

Expanding on the topic a bit, and looking at "clutch" post-season hitters, how about Ripken?

1983 22 BAL AL ALCS CHW W 4 18 15 5 6 2 0 0 1 0 0 2 3 .400 .500 .533 1.033 8 1 1 0 0 0

1983 22 BAL AL WS PHI W 5 21 18 2 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 4 .167 .286 .167 .452 3 0 0 0 0 0

1996 35 BAL AL ALDS CLE W 4 19 18 2 8 3 0 0 2 0 0 0 3 .444 .474 .611 1.085 11 0 1 0 0 0

1996 35 BAL AL ALCS NYY L 5 21 20 1 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 .250 .286 .300 .586 6 0 0 0 0 0

1997 36 BAL AL ALDS SEA W 4 18 16 1 7 2 0 0 1 0 0 2 2 .438 .500 .563 1.063 9 0 0 0 0 0

1997 36 BAL AL ALCS CLE L 6 27 23 3 8 2 0 1 3 0 0 4 6 .348 .444 .565 1.010 13 0 0 0 0 0

3 Seasons (6 Series) 28 124 110 14 37 10 0 1 8 0 0 12 22 .336 .411 .455 .866 50 1 2 0 0 0

2 ALDS 8 37 34 3 15 5 0 0 3 0 0 2 5 .441 .486 .588 1.075 20 0 1 0 0 0

3 ALCS 15 66 58 9 19 5 0 1 4 0 0 7 13 .328 .409 .466 .875 27 1 1 0 0 0

1 WS 5 21 18 2 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 4 .167 .286 .167 .452 3 0 0 0 0 0

Save for the World Series in '83, and not quite as bad in '96, he was money in the postseason. Especially when you consider that the O's bats were held in check during ALCS series in 1996 & 1997.

[Woody Held]

Brook's,when you had a runner on second he was a very tough out

[PapaRick]

Doug DeCinces on Friday, June 22, 1979 hit the 9th inning - 2 out - come from behind - walk off home run that started Orioles Magic and caused attendance to soar for 20 years. Now that was clutch.

[RShack]

That's an 8 year span of .337/.428/.617, 49 HR, 170 RBI (797 PA, 671 AB, 226 H, 112 BB). Considering that a normal season for Eddie was about 680 PA, that would be the equivalent of about 42 HR, 145 RBI in a season's worth of close & late ABs.

I realize those 8 years weren't Eddie's entire career, or even his entire Orioles career. But that's the period that forged his reputation as an amazing clutch hitter.

Now here is Frank's career as an Oriole:

1966: .329/.473/.553, 5 HR, 13 RBI (110 PA, 85 AB, 28 H, 23 BB)

1967: .215/.326/.405, 3 HR, 11 RBI (92 PA, 79 AB, 17 H, 13 BB)

1968: .232/.426/.362, 1 HR, 4 RBI (94 PA, 69 AB, 16 H, 23 BB)

1969: .350/.444/.570, 6 HR, 21 RBI (117 PA, 100 AB, 35 H, 14 BB)

1970: .299/400/.563, 6 HR, 18 RBI (105 PA, 87 AB, 26 H, 14 BB)

1971: .323/.432/.508, 3 HR, 14 RBI (81 PA, 65 AB, 21 H, 12 BB)

Altogether that's .295/.419/.501 with 24 HR and 81 RBI in 599 PA. That's good, but it isn't close to as good as Eddie in his prime 8 years. And I'm pretty sure I could add in Eddie's other Orioles seasons and he'd still be better late & close than Frank was as an Oriole.

Wait a sec... it doesn't make sense to pick Eddie's best years and then compare him to a subset of Frank's years that leave out the CIN part of his prime plus include '67 and '68 when he wasn't himself. Now, I don't wanna make a federal case out of it, because both Frank and Eddie are great O's and there's no reason to say one was worse. But you kinda picked years that helped Eddie and hurt Frank. The '67 and '68 version of Frank wasn't the real Frank, as the numbers you cited indicate.

[Lucky Jim]

Wait a sec... it doesn't make sense to pick Eddie's best years and then compare him to a subset of Frank's years that leave out the CIN part of his prime plus include '67 and '68 when he wasn't himself. Now, I don't wanna make a federal case out of it, because both Frank and Eddie are great O's and there's no reason to say one was worse. But you kinda picked years that helped Eddie and hurt Frank. The '67 and '68 version of Frank wasn't the real Frank, as the numbers you cited indicate.

The thread is called who were the best Orioles clutch hitters, no?

Not sure why what Robinson did w/ the Reds should play a role in that.

[RShack]

The thread is called who were the best Orioles clutch hitters, no?

Not sure why what Robinson did w/ the Reds should play a role in that.

Evidently, I misstated my point. I should have said not only that I'd take a healthy Frank any day, with Eddie #2, but also that the numbers support that as being the right call. Now, if we're gonna mix in the hurt version of Frank, well, I guess you might have a point. I'd also talk Palmer as the SP I want, but not if we're talking about the '67 and '68 version of him. Same basic thing...

[Mike B]

To this day, Al Weis is one of my most hated players. In addition to that injury, the guy killed us in the 1969 World Series, hitting .455/.563/.727. This from a guy who was a .219/.278/.275 career hitter.

Nah, I really don't hate the guy, he was just doing his job. But he caused O's fans a lot of heartache.

I have had the same conversation with a friend who is a Met fan. I join you in my dislike for Weis for the reasons you mentioned. He had the week of his life in 1969 but the Dipper did the same in 1983 and had we not blown the 1979 series to the Pirates, Kiko Garcia would have more than likely been the MVP then, speaking of clutch.

[Lucky Jim]

Evidently, I misstated my point. I should have said not only that I'd take a healthy Frank any day, with Eddie #2, but also that the numbers support that as being the right call. Now, if we're gonna mix in the hurt version of Frank, well, I guess you might have a point. I'd also talk Palmer as the SP I want, but not if we're talking about the '67 and '68 version of him. Same basic thing...

I'm not sure what your point is, exactly. The numbers when Frank was an Oriole? Or the numbers when Frank was a Red?

Or just lopping off 2 of the 6 years that he played here?

Don't get me wrong, I didn't get to watch Frank, but I bow to his legacy. I was raised in a home that revered the man.

[RShack]

I'm not sure what your point is, exactly. The numbers when Frank was an Oriole? Or the numbers when Frank was a Red?

I'm saying that Frank was best of all the O's, and the only way to say otherwise is if you count the time he was hurt.

[Lucky Jim]

I'm saying that Frank was best of all the O's, and the only way to say otherwise is if you count the time he was hurt.

Got it - edited my post.

Question - why would you exclude two years where Robinson put up .979 and .838 OPSes over 270 games (his 1967 was better by far than his 1965, for instance) for OPS+ of 187 and 152? I mean, maybe you cut out 1968. But 1967?

[Mike B]

Brooks was not a great hitter..but he was a big CLUTCH hitter. Not only just in big games and All star games..but in clutch situations.He could get into a hot streak and no one could get him out.

Lots of examples, but the best one of course is the 70 World Series,

Roy, you probably remember who it was, but I remember hearing an opposing manager tell Brooks that is the game was only 6 innings long he would not hit .200. Brooksie definitely was a dangerous late game hitter.

One of my best Orioles in person moments was April 19, 1977, Brooks hit his last HR (268) off Dave Laroche, a 3 run shot, that won the game in the 10th for the Orioles 6 to 5. It was cold and maybe at the start there were 5,000 people there. By the 10th inning, maybe there were 1500 left. That was Brooksie last stand and I have always been happy I stayed.

Just to connect the dots a little, the day before a young first baseman hit his first HR as an Oriole. The same guy who many here are saying was the best clutch hitter the O's have ever had. Eddie Murray hit #1 the day before Brooks hit the final one of his HOF career.

[Old#5fan]

Evidently, I misstated my point. I should have said not only that I'd take a healthy Frank any day, with Eddie #2, but also that the numbers support that as being the right call. Now, if we're gonna mix in the hurt version of Frank, well, I guess you might have a point. I'd also talk Palmer as the SP I want, but not if we're talking about the '67 and '68 version of him. Same basic thing...

Don't be so nice with these whippersnappers who weren't around to even know or care about Palmer and Frank's injuries. :cussing:All these goobers do is look at the stats and to hell with reality of injuries and stuff.:angryfire: Don't you know that by now?

They know it all even though they weren't there and we don't know jack. Why is that? The stats are all that matter. YOu need to get with the program old man!

[Sports Guy]

Frank Robinson wishes he was half the player Markakis is.

[JimDH]

Frank Robinson wishes he was half the player Markakis is.

Holy crap.

Oh never mind.