The Great Tillman Debate

[MikeAD]

Is this really coming from a guy who has "waiting for 2024" in their sig line?

A. I was joking.

B. Shoot thats my sig line? I should change that. It's mostly a reflection on patience and Trea's "waiting for 2012." I'll still be a fan and go to as many games in 2024 if we continue losing that long (which I don't think we will).

[Sports Guy]

I know, I look forward to the day when you look at the team and are satisfied. Probably about 30 seconds after we win the World Series, then its time to start working on cutting the dead weight .

Is it really that big of a deal to have Tillman start the season in AAA? This could even be a move based on Guthrie. They may not expect Guthrie to hang around very long, and Tillman will be up in 4-5 weeks, after getting time to work on his command.

Did you not see where i said I am ok with it now that we know Tillman is having mechanical issues?

[MikeAD]

Did you not see where i said I am ok with it now that we know Tillman is having mechanical issues?

No I did not, apologies. Boy I've come in and pooped on this parade. A bad day to decide to post more than once.

[AgentOrange]

A. I was joking.

B. Shoot thats my sig line? I should change that. It's mostly a reflection on patience and Trea's "waiting for 2012." I'll still be a fan and go to as many games in 2024 if we continue losing that long (which I don't think we will).

1. Any shot at Trea is a good one.

2. Didn't know you were joking. I am sure most of us would be fans even if they kept losing.

[OrioleMagic]

Well SG, ultimately they are the professionals. Thats not to say I'm fine with whatever the Orioles do...far from it. Moeller should be here instead of Tatum, I've hated several signings/acqusitions. It's not always black and white in terms of being "okay with whatever the Orioles do" so please stop acting like it is.

But if they decree that a young pitcher needs to be sent down, I don't feel like they owe me an explanation as to why. Those people making the decisions have watched more baseball over the years than you and me combined x 10 and know what to look for. Unlike you and me, they're industry professionals and like I said they do not owe us an explanation for every little thing they do.

This is the part that SG's internet fabricated ego can't seem to wrap itself around. IMHO, SG disrespects the baseball profession by taking his criticism to the level he does. We all do our share of monday morning quarterbacking people in life especially if they are newsworthy.

Here's the bottom line. It's easy to sit in the cheap seats with a limited amount of information and criticize. It is easier to criticize something that has already occurred and failed. (Hindsight is 20/20) We all exercise our right to freedom of speech and do this, just as I have criticized Peter Angelos rather vociferously, but with freedom comes responsibility and a general respect for other human beings and their diverse opinions, especially if they are a paid professional and the person being critical is only a wannabe.

[Sports Guy]

This is the part that SG's internet fabricated ego can't seem to wrap itself around. IMHO, SG disrespects the baseball profession by taking his criticism to the level he does. We all do our share of monday morning quarterbacking people in life especially if they are newsworthy.

Here's the bottom line. It's easy to sit in the cheap seats with a limited amount of information and criticize. It is easier to criticize something that has already occurred and failed. (Hindsight is 20/20) We all exercise our right to freedom of speech and do this, just as I have criticized Peter Angelos rather vociferously, but with freedom comes responsibility and a general respect for other human beings and their diverse opinions, especially if they are a paid professional and the person being critical is only a wannabe.

Thanks for input troll...Good to see you trying to add baseball discussion to the board.

Stop wasting the board's time with your obsession..Either PM me or ignore me. Otherwise, stop crying.

[OrioleMagic]

Thanks for input troll...Good to see you trying to add baseball discussion to the board.

Stop wasting the board's time with your obsession..Either PM me or ignore me. Otherwise, stop crying.

No one is crying. No one is trolling. This is a valid response to your style of interaction with posters who disagree with you.

Again your responses of calling names is very juvenile.

[waroriole]

No one is crying. No one is trolling. This is a valid response to your style of interaction with posters who disagree with you.

Again your responses of calling names is very juvenile.

You're wasting your breath. He's not going to change who he is, best thing to do is just ignore it. Kind of like OldFan or JTrea.

[OrioleMagic]

You're wasting your breath. He's not going to change who he is, best thing to do is just ignore it. Kind of like OldFan or JTrea.

I am not trying to change him. I ignore most of his negative posts. (and read the positive posts) I perceive him as an "internet bully" at times, and that is putting it as nicely as I can. I think the only way to handle the situation is to honestly respond to each situation. Most get ignored, but at times, other posts deserve a stern response even if the cost is a negative rep from the guy with the most posts.

[El Gordo]

Well, i am eagerly anticipating them not making poor decision on a regular basis, so the feeling is mutual!

I am eagerly anticipating you getting so fed up with their poor decision making that you find another team.

:rolleyestf:

[tvz1997]

From Jim Callis a few minutes ago on his ESPN chat:

I think it's silly that decisions are made on spring-training performance, especially when both guys worked about 15 innings each. But it doesn't matter in the long run. Tillman is much more talented, and Hernandez is destined for middle relief. The Orioles weren't going to win this year anyway, and Tillman will be in their rotation before the all-star break.

I disagree and doubt he knows anything about the problems with Tillman's mechanics, but I thought people might want to see this.

[Say O!]

In the digital age, we are accustomed to receiving more information, immediate information, and well reasoned information.

But, despite our insatiable appetite in fandom, perhaps it is not always in the best interest of the club to reveal full rationale for the decision.

For instance, it may be better to feed the public the cliche "He just needs a little more experiene" than to announce "Pitcher has difficulty repeating his mechanics."

Think about trade value implications. Information has value, and I have no problem with the O's brass withholding decision rationale in certain circumstances.

There's a difference between "benefit of the doubt" and understanding there may be more to the situation than detailed in the press.

[tvz1997]

Update from Callis:

Tim (Towson, MD)

Hello again, Jim. Word out of the Orioles is that Tillman is having problems with his mechanics. As young as he is, what is the harm in letting him work through it in the minors?

Jim Callis (2:42 PM)

I wasn't upset about the decision--I think fans get too worked about these types of things. No harm at all.

It's like he's been reading along on here. SG must be blushing as their reactions progressed in such a similar way (except for the aversion to overreaction).

[OrioleMagic]

In the digital age, we are accustomed to receiving more information, immediate information, and well reasoned information.

But, despite our insatiable appetite in fandom, perhaps it is not always in the best interest of the club to reveal full rationale for the decision.

For instance, it may be better to feed the public the cliche "He just needs a little more experiene" than to announce "Pitcher has difficulty repeating his mechanics."

Think about trade value implications. Information has value, and I have no problem with the O's brass withholding decision rationale in certain circumstances.

There's a difference between "benefit of the doubt" and understanding there may be more to the situation than detailed in the press.

This is an incredibly important point!

[mweb]

Update from Callis:

It's like he's been reading along on here. SG must be blushing as their reactions progressed in such a similar way (except for the aversion to overreaction).

Yeah, some of the reactions on here were absurd. Regardless of the mechanics issue, this wasn't that big of a deal.