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olehippi Veteran All-Star

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For a year now, we have heard how the young pitchers enjoy pitching to Moeller...Moeller knows these guys....and now you replace him? Horrible decision making there.

I would love to hear the justification for this.

Somewhere there was a mention that Moeller had a shoulder problem and had difficulty throwing the ball further than the pitcher's mound. If so, having guys on base running at will could have serious psychological, as well as pitching mechanics, effects.....especially with young pitchers on the mound.

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It may be MORE beneficial to have Moeller in AAA (assuming he accepts the assignment.

This.

Moeller at AAA is almost like having another coach there. By the time they get off the bus at Eutaw Street, they're supposed to pretty much have mastery of their tools. The place to be learning new pitches and mastering all their pitches is in minors, not when they're facing big league hitters. Moeller is better equipped to help them get all that sorted out at NOR than the other guy is. We need some C who has a clue to be down there helping the next batch of P's get ready. Meanwhile, the other guy can throw out ML runners better than Moeller can. I think the important thing is that AM has an arrangement with Moeller which has him satisfied being what amounts to be a player-coach at NOR.

The only real case for wanting Moeller in the bigs is if you think Matt needs mentoring at being a C. Supposedly, the new bench coach can do that. I don't know if he can or can't, but the fact that he was a C is part of the official rationale for getting him.

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/03/orioles_losing_moeller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the_schmuck_stops_here+%28The+Schmuck+Stops+Here%29

Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/03/orioles_losing_moeller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the_schmuck_stops_here+%28The+Schmuck+Stops+Here%29

Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

You mean like batting Tejada and his super declining doubles total 4th?

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/03/orioles_losing_moeller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the_schmuck_stops_here+%28The+Schmuck+Stops+Here%29

Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

You really care this much about a back up catcher running on vapor fumes of his careeer?

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/03/orioles_losing_moeller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the_schmuck_stops_here+%28The+Schmuck+Stops+Here%29

Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

No offense to Chad, but having him on the roster or not is completely and utterly meaningless.

Besides, IIRC Moeller has threatened to refuse minor league assignments before and wound up going to AAA.

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/03/orioles_losing_moeller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the_schmuck_stops_here+%28The+Schmuck+Stops+Here%29

Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

Oh no, we might lose a completely average back-up catcher with a career .288 OBP who can't throw runners out.

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Schmuck seems to think Moeller will refuse his minor league assignment and become a FA.

Nice going O's.

Honestly, the Orioles can never seem to get the little roster decisions right...

Surely you can't be serious!

/I am serious

//and don't call me Shirley

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No offense to Chad, but having him on the roster or not is completely and utterly meaningless.

Besides, IIRC Moeller has threatened to refuse minor league assignments before and wound up going to AAA.

So you think Tatum is a better mentor for the pitchers and Matt Wieters?

Or you want Trembley to burn Wieters out by having him catch 140+ games instead of having a capable backup?

The backup catcher is extremely important to the Orioles because of our young pitchers, and the fact that we need a decent backup to keep Wieters fresh.

Moeller has caught World Champions. What has Tatum done?

Keep the runners off the bases, and then you don't have to worry about them running. If Tatum is having to throw out a ton of runners that means the pitchers are being ineffective.

I'd rather rely on Moeller's knowledge and game calling skills than Tatum's arm to help out our pitching.

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So you think Tatum is a better mentor for the pitchers and Matt Wieters?

Or you want Trembley to burn Wieters out by having him catch 140+ games instead of having a capable backup.

But he's NOT a capable backup. He threw out 2 runners last year.

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But he's NOT a capable backup. He threw out 2 runners last year.

Wait. Someone who routinely underestimates the importance of defense doesn't approve of the Os selecting the better defensive catcher? Shenanigans!

When a catcher's arm goes, he loses not only his ability to throw out runners, but his ability to scare runners away from running. People talk all of the time about Markakis and the fear he inspires in runners, but this is a much bigger deal for catchers.

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This was probably his swan song ...

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2010_03_24_balmlb_slnmlb_1

BASERUNNING

SB: Ryan, Br (2, 2nd base off Matusz/Moeller), LaRue (1, 2nd base off Matusz/Moeller), Rapoport (1, 2nd base off Gonzalez, M/Tatum), Ludwick (1, 3rd base off Matusz/Moeller), Lopez, F (4, 3rd base off Matusz/Moeller).

Basically, when you have a 90% chance to turn a single into a double, you have every capable runner try to steal.

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