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Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

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Glad to see Tatum being patient.

On Nick, he was 2 for 5 yesterday. He has been on base 15 times in 8 games. Obviously we'd like more hits and some power, but this is not all that terrible. Certainly no reason he should be on the bench today.

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Yeah I saw that. Just wish he'd snap out of this funk.

Something tells me a trip to the west coast will be a good thing though. I know they traditionally struggle vs the A's, but I think they surely need a change of scenery- AND a game outside of the AL East.

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The team was supposed to win with pitching and defense this year. The bats were going to be brought in once we were settled with that as a foundation. That stats angle I only used to make the point of what's happened so far this year.

No they weren't. The pitching is supposed to be a strength in the future but was a question mark for this year and the fielding isn't supposed to be much above average if at all.

Well you shouldn't make a thread title saying stats are overrated and then base it on errors.

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    • Jim'sKid26
      A philosophical question re offense and defense

      By Jim'sKid26 · Posted

      At SS, I agree. I wonder if he had been primarily played at 2B or CF if you would feel the same way. Guess we'll never know.
    • oriole
      A philosophical question re offense and defense

      By oriole · Posted

      I wasn’t referring to him overall as a player. I meant that is the type of play that might happen with a -10 defense guy.
    • Can_of_corn
      A philosophical question re offense and defense

      By Can_of_corn · Posted

      Jeter was a -10 defense guy.
    • Sports Guy
      Jackson Holliday 2024

      By Sports Guy · Posted

      But how does it damage or delay things?  What’s the time period for that?   Let’s say by Sunday, Holliday is 3-45 and they send him down.  He was up here for what, 2 weeks at that point? Was he delayed?  Did that hurt his development? Did Cowser’s development get hurt or damaged last year?  Did GRod get damaged? Thats the thing.  To me, using words like that sound to me that they are career altering.    For me, if that occurs, the player wasn’t going to be mentally tough to handle adversity no matter what his development was..that’s a big reason why I don’t believe in “rushed”.  
    • Can_of_corn
      A philosophical question re offense and defense

      By Can_of_corn · Posted

      If Stewart had been that guy with a bat we wouldn't have cared that much. He was a 0 bat -10 glove guy. A better example would be Nelson Cruz maybe.
    • Spy Fox
      Jackson Holliday 2024

      By Spy Fox · Posted

      Personally I take rushed to mean something a bit milder. I think you're using the word more absolutely than many do, and that's the disagreement.  I would call a player rushed if they were brought up before they were ready to perform, and it damaged or delayed their development. Particularly if there was reason to doubt their readiness before the callup. But it doesn't have to be something that ruins them or that they never recover from for me to be willing to call it rushing.  Now I'm not sure they rushed Holliday under either definition, since there was tons of evidence supporting the idea of bringing him up. 
    • Jim'sKid26
      A philosophical question re offense and defense

      By Jim'sKid26 · Posted

      IMHO defensive prowess at premium positions generally benefits your pitchers to a more significant degree than offensive prowess. So C, CF, SS, 2B are positions that I would be OK with one or two players who profile +10 D/-10 O. I think the corners, (LF, RF, 3B and 1B) are where you can have one or two +10 O/-10 D types. 3B tends to be a corner spot where a stellar defender can change the course of a game or series, however.  I also believe that defensive skill is more highly correlated with superb athleticism; whereas offensive skills are less highly correlated with athleticism.  In other words, it's rare to see a great defender who is not a great athlete; but there are many excellent hitters who are not very athletic.  I think the O's like players who can defend at a very high level. I think they like exceptional athletes who are versatile defensively. They have been fortunate that many of their prospects are superb on both sides of the ball.   

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