Blame MacPhail

[ledzepp8]

Ah there it is, the Elitest post.

We are not worthy of this elite member and superior fan.

Please post some more and tell me what I should thinking.

I'm not sure what is "Elitest" about VaTech's post. All he said was that Trea continues to spout nonsense because of his vendettas and agendas. He just mentioned that when someone actually makes a thread trying to discuss and analyze what's going on with the team that Trea is nowhere to be found because he'd rather just repeat his same tired mantra over and over again about things that can't possibly be proven.

Oh and what's "Elitest" about pointing that probably 99% of the people that encounter Trea think he's off the damn planet? Usually when that's the case you stop and think, maybe I am being a little nutty. You don't keep thinking that your 1% is the group that is being rational and sane.

[justcompete]

Well, tell me. Would we be significantly better right now with Tex? Would we be significantly better right now with Holliday?

And we are NOT the worst professional baseball team in the MLB. Look at the Pirates.

Pirates

6-5 record

AM "Wins matter"

Significantly better?

Well 1 more win is a 100% increase in production, so that is just too easy.

Again I do not care who the player is I care about the team product.

A true clean-up would impact every player in the lineup.

This is AM team, he sculpted the roster and it stinks.

[Sports Guy]

And you know this how? Did you talk to Boras?

Common sense...You sit here and slam the make up of this team all the time and yet you think he signs here for the same or less than he did in St Louis?

[Mark Carver]

I think we'd be feeling a lot better about our chances of competing in 2011, and we would have won more games than just 1.

The same Pirates that are 6-5? Or that are spending money internationally?

I hate to break it to you. We are the worst team in baseball.

The last time I looked, the Pirates have had 17, count them, 17 below .500 seasons. Until, they break that barrier, they are the worst run team in MLB.

[Sports Guy]

Brian Roberts said that Holliday eventually wanted to play on the same team he did. Garrett Atkins is one of his best friends.

The seeds were there if the Orioles were aggressive enough.

And you don't have any proof that Holliday didn't want to come here if the Orioles had been aggressive with negotiations.

It's easy to keep spouting "they didn't want to come here" mantra. There is no concrete proof to the contrary so it becomes a convienent excuse for lack of results year after year.

You mean if they offered a lot more money than St Louis did?

[ShaneDawg85]

I actually think this is the worst thing that could have happened. The O's start the season in a hellacious slump, lose a ton of games and it just makes El Trea think he was right this entire time.

I started that thread about when do you think the Orioles bottomed out? Well this is where the OH has probably bottomed out: The little McNugget's stance on everything anti MacPhail is bolstered by the Orioles crappy start.

Come to think of it, this start probably is making JTrea happy as a clam. What if the record was reveresed and our offense ranked high in every major category? What could he complain about? How could he attack MacPhail? What could he be miserable about?

If the Orioles win and MacPhail and Trembley do their jobs well there's nothing that he can rant about....this is probably the worst thing that could have happened.

Sure there is. Then it turns into a daily, "This team is winning, they're in it, so why won't MacPhail go out and get the last piece to get them over the top? There's no good reason not to trade Tillman, Bell, the Louisiana Territory, the Oregon Territory, etc., to get Gonzalez." The message is the same no matter how the team plays.

[TCAlumni9700]

Ah there it is, the Elitest post.

We are not worthy of this elite member and superior fan.

Please post some more and tell me what I should thinking.

I agree with this. As much as Trea can overdo it sometimes, he never involves himself in any name calling or things of that sort. MM and VT fan have both resorted to that in this thread.

Guys, you're better than that. You can get your point across without it.

[JTrea81]

Common sense...You sit here and slam the make up of this team all the time and yet you think he signs here for the same or less than he did in St Louis?

He also took deferred money in St Louis.

A 6/119 package with an option for a 7/133 total with no deferred money is more than what they offered.

But our $75 million dollar offer wasn't even anywhere close and was below Bostons $82.5 million dollar offer. That's the point. We didn't even try.

[ledzepp8]

I think we'd be feeling a lot better about our chances of competing in 2011, and we would have won more games than just 1.

The same Pirates that are 6-5? Or that are spending money internationally?

I hate to break it to you. We are the worst team in baseball.

Based on what? Not based on Teixeira's play. He's got 4 hits on the season and is hitting 100 with a 405 OPS. No matter how bad our offense has been thus far, we don't have a regular that even comes close to that kind of awfulness.

How can anyone take you serious when you say crap like that is beyond me, but apparently you've got a couple supporters in this thread. I for one am shocked.

Oh and spouting the Pirates record? Small sample size alert.

And how would you know who the worst team in baseball is? Yo don't even watch the games.

[AgentOrange]

I disagree as well, just don't want to waste my time

[Sports Guy]

Maybe because I am right?

I said the offense was going to be the reason this team was not going to succeed and look where we are.

You can't expect players who are in their first full major league season to carry an offense. There were even questions regarding Adam Jones and Nick Markakis to a certain extent.

You have to have good pitching and a good offense to win in the AL East and MacPhail basically ignored half of that equation.

And here we are...

The contract it would have taken to get Holliday here, you have stated you were against.

[waroriole]

Only in your mind is that statement true. I went back and read the whole thread again.

Those who have supported you (though some of them just complained rather than agreeing with you, but I'll count them in your court):

MrBig1

Loudoun Bird

Brunocherrytown

Amateurfan

unitastoheap67

SanFran327

MSK

justcompete

section18

KakesMVP

Those who have clearly not supported you:

RZNJ

Eddie83

slappy

glorydays

birds08

armyofdarkness

bruce510

billyripken03

crissfan172

carolinaoriole

vevejones2007

mitch connor

led zep

rustymcnail

moose

mcnulty

scott

me

Those who agree there is a problem but didn't support your interpretation:

rooster1

connja

ripkenway

clapdiddy

wildcard

SG

So,

10 for

18 against

Yeh, you're getting great support here.

Add me to the list that think he's a loon and not really an O's fan. I wonder how much longer before he is gone. The constant trolling (especially during the losing streaks) I would hope is enough to give him a permanent vacation.

[ledzepp8]

I don't understand the argument here over Teix and Holliday. Are people saying that the Orioles would not have a better record with Teixeira at 1b, and Holliday in LF or that they wouldn't be a better team? There's a huge difference, and the distinction is not being clearly made. I can't imagine that VaTech and MM would say that the Orioles are better without Teixeira and Holliday, and that going forward the Orioles will be better without him. If so, that's dumb.

The argument is that Trea is trying to blame a 1-11 start on (at least partially) not signing "premium talent" like Teixeira or Holliday. The argument that people are making is that Teixeira's play so far would have made no difference on this team's record seeing as how he's been flat out terrible. Trea seems to think different for some reason that defies logic.

[Sports Guy]

He also took deferred money in St Louis.

A 6/119 package with an option for a 7/133 total with no deferred money is more than what they offered.

But our $75 million dollar offer wasn't even anywhere close and was below Bostons $82.5 million dollar offer. That's the point. We didn't even try.

Who cares? The offer would have to be a lot more.

You are putting an offer on the table that has LESS guaranteed money than what he got...The Orioles have to pay MORE than everyone else.

7/140 at least....and you have said you wouldn't pay him that. So, end of story.

besides, you grossly overrate Holliday and how good he is.

This has nothing to do with AM not being aggresive...which is a legit complaint about him..you just don't get why it is a legit complaint.

It is legit because AM isn't a moron and isn't willing to give overpay by 2-3 years and 50+ million dollars.

[Mark Carver]

I disagree as well, just don't want to waste my time

Add me to the list that think he's a loon and not really an O's fan. I wonder how much longer before he is gone. The constant trolling (especially during the losing streaks) I would hope is enough to give him a permanent vacation.

Major dittos...