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mweb Hangout Grand Counsel

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No, I get it. I wish i had the same passion to be honest. I'm watching this series, with great passionate fans on both sides and i could honestly care less who wins. It just leaves me wanting the O's to be playing in something this important.

BTW, I think most non-Yankee fans hate the Yanks.

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I usually agree with you, but I don't get how you don't get this. The Yanks are in our division, they win the division all the time, they spend way more money than anyone else, have 4 WS titles in the last 11 years, beat us consistently, fill our stadium with their annoying, cocky fans, and get tons of media love. I think that's enough reason to dislike them.

UNC was losing to Duke all the time for awhile, but you still hated Duke right? This isn't on the same level, but it's probably more like Maryland fans hating Duke.

Exactly. Just because Andy Hawkins is long gone doesn't mean you can't hate them again.

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Is anyone saying otherwise? Yeah, I think most respect them.

I wouldn't bet on that. When i read some of the threads, I honestly think some people are delusional and see and hear what they want to hear. The whole "ESPN" thing that we've talked about boggles my mind. One guy (I won't mention his name) wrote a thread about an article that he claimed that ESPN was making excuses for the Yankees loss and Chamberlain was making excuses as well. I found the article and no one made excuses and Joba was especially trying to place the blame on himself alone and not the bugs.

The Whole "The umpires always screw the Orioles" thing after the Yanks series in September was also ridiculous. When it comes to the Yankees, some people really think that they get every call, and every benefit of the doubt no matter what. They win because the umps and ESPN make it happen...

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He's better than a "solid player" as you say. But yes, not as good as his image.

Agreed on the gold glove thing. But what can you do? That is a product of playing in the biggest media market in the country..

I don't think it's really a product of the media market, I think it's a product of their success, many thinking Jeter has been the biggest reason for their success, many overrating his overall game, and some "web gems" he's had.

The other thing that annoys me about how Jeter is covered is his clutchness. He's had some clutch moments, but he's had an absurd amount of oppurtunities as well, plus every clutch thing he does get's blown out of proportion, Jeter has not been overly clutch throughout his career.

Oh, one more think that bothers me about the media coverage of him is his leadership. I'm not saying anything negative about his leadership, but I find it hard to believe it's as great as reported. I don't believe he stepped into the clubhouse as a rookie and instantly became the leader of a veteran team with guys like O'Neal, Tino, Leyritz, Bernie, Clemens, etc.

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I wouldn't bet on that. When i read some of the threads, I honestly think some people are delusional and see and hear what they want to hear. The whole "ESPN" thing that we've talked about boggles my mind. One guy (I won't mention his name) wrote a thread about an article that he claimed that ESPN was making excuses for the Yankees loss and Chamberlain was making excuses as well. I found the article and no one made excuses and Joba was especially trying to place the blame on himself alone and not the bugs.

The Whole "The umpires always screw the Orioles" thing after the Yanks series in September was also ridiculous. When it comes to the Yankees, some people really think that they get every call, and every benefit of the doubt no matter what. They win because the umps and ESPN make it happen...

That may all be true, but not sure how it shows a lack of respect for the Yanks. I'm sure some don't, but I think most do.

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No, I get it. I wish i had the same passion to be honest. I'm watching this series, with great passionate fans on both sides and i could honestly care less who wins. It just leaves me wanting the O's to be playing in something this important.

Hating the Yankees doesn't have to be an ugly thing. It doesn't have to make you a jerk. Nor does it have to make you bitter. It's just something you carry with you, and look forward to things when it will make things better. For example, I don't think the O's are gonna be in the post-season soon, but I'm not somebody who thinks that's the only mark on the yardstick. Some people talk as if getting to the post-season is the only single thing on the yardstick. For me, it's not. There are two things I look forward to seeing before I expect to see the O's in the post-season. One of them is playing a series with the Yankees late in the season, and seeing the O's clean their clock, and by doing so, eliminating the MFY's from the post-season. To me, that will be a great thing even if the O's don't go to the post-season that year. Another thing I look forward to is finishing ahead of the Yankees. Both of those things give me things to look forward to, so I don't have to be miserable until the O's go to the WS again. Hating the Yankees just gives me more stuff to look forward to. So, depending on your outlook on life and your temperament, it's a positive thing masquerading as a negative. I highly recommend it. Try it, you'll like it ;-)

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Hating the Yankees doesn't have to be an ugly thing. It doesn't have to make you a jerk. Nor does it have to make you bitter. It's just something you carry with you, and look forward to things when it will make things better. For example, I don't think the O's are gonna be in the post-season soon, but I'm not somebody who thinks that's the only mark on the yardstick. Some people talk as if getting to the post-season is the only single thing on the yardstick. For me, it's not. There are two things I look forward to seeing before I expect to see the O's in the post-season. One of them is playing a series with the Yankees late in the season, and seeing the O's clean their clock, and by doing so, eliminating the MFY's from the post-season. To me, that will be a great thing even if the O's don't go to the post-season that year. Another thing I look forward to is finishing ahead of the Yankees. Both of those things give me things to look forward to, so I don't have to be miserable until the O's go to the WS again. Hating the Yankees just gives me more stuff to look forward to. So, depending on your outlook on life and your temperament, it's a positive thing masquerading as a negative. I highly recommend it. Try it, you'll like it ;-)

Gotcha, like little mini victories to get you through until the World Series finally arrives here in Baltimore. Since tonight it looks like the Yankees will survive, I'll root against them tomorrow. Maybe I will love it, I'll keep you posted.

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Gotcha, like little mini victories to get you through until the World Series finally arrives here in Baltimore. Since tonight it looks like the Yankees will survive, I'll root against them tomorrow. Maybe I will love it, I'll keep you posted.

Cool. The trick is to hate the uniform, not the people. Hating people is generally not a good idea. Hating the humanoid life form that happens to be wearing that uniform WHILE it's wearing the uniform (between game time and the end of the game) is something entirely different. Don't hate the face... hate the logo on the cap....

AND THE BASTARD WHO'S WEARING IT!!!!

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Cool. The trick is to hate the uniform, not the people. Hating people is generally not a good idea. Hating the humanoid life form that happens to be wearing that uniform WHILE it's wearing the uniform (between game time and the end of the game) is something entirely different. Don't hate the face... hate the logo on the cap....

AND THE BASTARD WHO'S WEARING IT!!!!

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Hate the uniform, I'll keep telling myself that...I remember being one of the few who cheered in Mussina's first start at Camden Yards as a Yankee. See, this has been a problem for a while.

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Hate the uniform, I'll keep telling myself that...I remember being one of the few who cheered in Mussina's first start at Camden Yards as a Yankee. See, this has been a problem for a while.

Well, I know Mussina is a hot button, but I never was mad at the guy. To me, there's a huge diff between him leaving here just to cash in, vs. him getting treated like dirt and not being appreciated for how he played or for the discount he already gave us. I think Mussina-haters aren't really thinking it through. To me, he's one of those guys who I don't hate at all. I always want us to beat the MFY's, but if the Yankees have to win a game against somebody else, it's fine with me if Moose wins it. I think he got screwed here. I would've cheered for him the first time he came back, just to say that I appreciated what he did while he was here, and that I realized what happened. To me, that's not cheering for a Yankee, it's more like saying "Thanks... and good luck (but not against us)" to a former-Oriole.

So, it's not always black-and-white, but Mussina is a special situation. Normally, I hate a guy while he's wearing that uniform, but if he gets traded elsewhere, I stop hating him because he's not a Yankee anymore. To me, the Yankees are like The Borg... it's not about the individuals, they're just a part of something larger than them...

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So, Beaner, why are the Sox worse in your view? They weren't Oriole killers during your childhood either. I remember you saying something about hating Beckett and Schilling, but respecting Jeter and Posada for their postseason achievements. I think in this past week, Beckett and Schilling have moved past Jeter and Posada in terms of the brilliance they have displayed over their careers in the postseason.

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