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MLB Fanhouse says Prince is officially on the block along with Weeks and Hart.

The fact that he is a Boras client seems to be scaring off suitors though because he is so close to FA.

One aspect that Olney brought up about the Lee trade is interesting.

By trading for Lee now, the Yankees don't have to surrender a draft pick to get him because they can just resign him.

So the three prospects they trade turns out to be only really 2 because of the value of that first round pick.

Hence if the Orioles were to trade for Fielder for say 4 players and let him go to FA, they could recoup that loss by keeping a draft pick were they to re-sign him after 2011, or he walks for two picks anyway.

So the package you deal for Fielder is likely really only to be the value of two to three prospects that you can't get back.

One way of putting the spin on it. But you could also counter the argument that "Brewers will want more players, cause if they keep him they get draft picks". I mean, this draft pick thing isn't exactly new.

Exploring the trade would be worth looking into at least. I don't know what the asking price is. I guess it helps that most teams, especially those in contention, already have a solid 1B and DH (Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, etc)

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Would you rather:

make a big trade (and I don't think the Guthrie idea flies, btw) to get Fielder and spend $175M on an extension

OR

make a slightly bigger trade to get Haren and Drew (Haren owed a little under 30M and Drew let's approx. 15M for 2yrs arb, for 45M total), sign Pena (2/35) or Konerko (3/45), sign Dunn (2/35), sign a RH to platoon with Bell (say 5M tops) - if you take the more expensive option at 1B you're at 130, so 45M left over. Let's say for S's and G's you also sign another starter and a reliever and you spend about 175M total for all these players.

I'm not saying these are necessarily moves I'd make, just that these are things you could do with the money and prospects you don't spend on Fielder.

I like the Arizona idea a bit more than blowing everything on one player and trying to throw some poop against the wall for the rest.

Trading for Prince would be great, but what about the rest of the team needs? You can not pull "prospects" out of your butt and keep on trading for stars. The Orioles just do not have the resources that the Yankees have. "MASN" money and everything else just will not add up to overcome the Yankees. Just look at today. They traded for C. Lee while the Orioles are picking up DFA's from other teams. A trade like the one mentioned about Arizona would go a long way in helping Baltimore really rebuild.

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That's because they do a good job of hiding how much they actually have...

The money is there, but they are trying to convince people otherwise, and apparently doing a good job...

Look over there on that grassy knoll----->>>>>

Seriously though, if they do have the money why not just work a deal with Texas ? Trade them enough cash consideration to help them get the starter they desire.

Maybe with the right cash and a prospect or two you could walk away with Smoak

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Oh and that BleacherReport article from other thread just said that Madison Baumgardner to get Prince Fielder. That means Matusz plus for the Orioles.

Try Chris Tillman.

The Giants don't want to give up Bumgarner for a rental of Fielder, so a Tillman led package may be the most enticing they can get.

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Oh and that BleacherReport article from other thread just said that Madison Baumgardner to get Prince Fielder. That means Matusz plus for the Orioles.

I think trading Matusz would be foolish. I think keeping him and several of the other Oriole starting pitchers, with the addition of a true TOR like Haren would be the way to go.

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Look over there on that grassy knoll----->>>>>

Seriously though, if they do have the money why not just work a deal with Texas ? Trade them enough cash consideration to help them get the starter they desire.

Maybe with the right cash and a prospect or two you could walk away with Smoak

I would love to see a three way deal where we trade $ and prospects to Texas and walk away with Smoak and Texas gets Oswalt, but I don't know if MacPhail is creative enough to pull that off.

I think he could pull off a deal for Fielder if he has enough pressure to do so. I'm hoping Angelos (and hopefully Showalter) forces his hand.

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Try Chris Tillman.

The Giants don't want to give up Bumgarner for a rental of Fielder, so a Tillman led package may be the most enticing they can get.

I am not trying to be snarky, but after you get Fielder how would you take care of the three remaining infield vacancies?

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I am not trying to be snarky, but after you get Fielder how would you take care of the three remaining infield vacancies?

I go after Orlando Hudson and Adrian Beltre in the offseason and make a trade to land a SS like Mike Aviles from KC or Joaquin Arias from Texas.

I'm assuming you said three because you think Roberts will retire.

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I go after Orlando Hudson and Adrian Beltre in the offseason and make a trade to land a SS like Mike Aviles from KC or Joaquin Arias from Texas.

I'm assuming you said three because you think Roberts will retire.

I do not know if he will retire, I just think as a worse case type of thing Roberts can not be counted on for next year.

I like the Aviles idea, and it would not take a whole lot to bring him over.

Beltre would have been a great signing this year, I just do not know if he will be worth what he could command after this season in Boston. I also think he would be a little foolish for leaving a stadium that was seemingly built for hitters like him.

O Hudson would also not be a bad pick up, but he has spent most of his career playing for winning organizations, of which Baltimore is not. They would really have too over pay for a guy that I don't think they should be over paying for.

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I do not know if he will retire, I just think as a worse case type of thing Roberts can not be counted on for next year.

I like the Aviles idea, and it would not take a whole lot to bring him over.

Beltre would have been a great signing this year, I just do not know if he will be worth what he could command after this season in Boston. I also think he would be a little foolish for leaving a stadium that was seemingly built for hitters like him.

O Hudson would also not be a bad pick up, but he has spent most of his career playing for winning organizations, of which Baltimore is not. They would really have too over pay for a guy that I don't think they should be over paying for.

I may have confused Hudson with another player. Sorry.

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I would love to see a three way deal where we trade $ and prospects to Texas and walk away with Smoak and Texas gets Oswalt, but I don't know if MacPhail is creative enough to pull that off.

I think he could pull off a deal for Fielder if he has enough pressure to do so. I'm hoping Angelos (and hopefully Showalter) forces his hand.

Well my idea looks to be toast anyway.

Guess it was wishful thinking like most trade thoughts posted my non sports professionals :)

3:24pm: An official of an uninvolved team tells Ed Price of AOL FanHouse that the Rangers are now willing to include Justin Smoak in a trade for Lee (Twitter link).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/yankees-may-be-close-to-acquiring-cliff-lee.html

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Well my idea looks to be toast anyway.

Guess it was wishful thinking like most trade thoughts posted my non sports professionals :)

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/yankees-may-be-close-to-acquiring-cliff-lee.html

If the Rangers include Smoak, forget about Davis as well, which would leave Fielder out there as the most attractive trade option unless we could deal Guthrie to the Reds for Alonso.

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