Rumor: O's in formal negotiations with Buck Showalter

[hatepaste]

The point of letting Showalter see the minor league teams is for a long-term purpose. The hope is that he can make MacPhail institute philosophies that will help the development side of the minors. There's no denying that the organization is a mess. Buck Showalter can do more than just be the manager for the big-league team. I'd hope that he would have some say in how the pitchers and hitters are used and taught before they reach him in Baltimore.

This is not the Major League Manager's job, really. That's the job of the General Manager.

Either way, I'd rather have him in Major Leagues now. It means more to have him in the Majors now, than a minor league road trip.

That can get sorted out in Spring Training if he doesn't like what he sees from the young guys.

First and foremost, the manager's job is taking care of the 25 guys on the Major League roster.

[Hooded Viper]

This is not the Major League Manager's job, really. That's the job of the General Manager.

Either way, I'd rather have him in Major Leagues now. It means more to have him in the Majors now, than a minor league road trip.

That can get sorted out in Spring Training if he doesn't like what he sees from the young guys.

First and foremost, the manager's job is taking care of the 25 guys on the Major League roster.

Actually his ONLY job!

[PrivateO]

Where have you ever seen this done by a manager before? If Buck is hired he is being hired to be the Manager, not the GM. AM may be calculated and deliberate but to be in this business you also have to have a pretty strong ego. He is not about to just push that aside because a stronger manager is needed.

I guarantee you Buck asked the "tough" questions about getting the players needed to compete and if he is hired then he feels AM and PA will get those players. But there is no way he will dictate anything to AM. It just doesn't happen in today's game.

Where did I say I have seen it done?

I said it was a good idea. I don't think it's likely (and from someone's tweet found earlier this morning, it seems like the O's will put him in the managerial position right when he signs) but it would help the organization long-term. It's like Leo Mazzone when he came here. No one was willing to put his pitching philosophies into the minors. This might have been the reason why he wasn't as successful here compared to Atlanta (obviously more talent was in the Braves organization as well, but he was able to make some OK pitchers good).

If Showalter has some beliefs on how to develop guys, I'm willing to give his ideas a go instead of what's happening now, because it doesn't seem to be working.

[Going Underground]

Buster Olney says that Buck Showalter is the "heavy, heavy" favorite to be the Orioles' next manager and handicapped the race thusly: "Showalter 1:2, Eric Wedge 6:1, Rick Dempsey 50:1, others 100:1."

[Hooded Viper]

Where did I say I have seen it done?

I said it was a good idea. I don't think it's likely (and from someone's tweet found earlier this morning, it seems like the O's will put him in the managerial position right when he signs) but it would help the organization long-term. It's like Leo Mazzone when he came here. No one was willing to put his pitching philosophies into the minors. This might have been the reason why he wasn't as successful here compared to Atlanta (obviously more talent was in the Braves organization as well, but he was able to make some OK pitchers good).

If Showalter has some beliefs on how to develop guys, I'm willing to give his ideas a go instead of what's happening now, because it doesn't seem to be working.

The good thing is your thinking outside the box. The problem is MLB is the most inside the box thinking major sport there is. GM's run the show, for better or worse, and Manager's manage.

[Going Underground]

The good thing is your thinking outside the box. The problem is MLB is the most inside the box thinking major sport there is. GM's run the show, for better or worse, and Manager's manage.

I am not sure MacPhail wants Showalter into everything.

[Mackus]

Buster Olney says that Buck Showalter is the "heavy, heavy" favorite to be the Orioles' next manager and handicapped the race thusly: "Showalter 1:2, Eric Wedge 6:1, Rick Dempsey 50:1, others 100:1."

I hate that Dempsey is ahead of "others". His odds should be much lower for me to start sleeping better.

[PrivateO]

The good thing is your thinking outside the box. The problem is MLB is the most inside the box thinking major sport there is. GM's run the show, for better or worse, and Manager's manage.

Well, according Rosenthal's latest tweet, my idea is moot anyway:

Ken Rosenthal

Sources: #Orioles' process with Showalter "evolving." Buck "very intrigued." O's would want him on field immediately

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I am not sure MacPhail wants Showalter into everything.

I'm not sure MacPhail wants Showalter into ANYTHING.

[Guest pokerface7418]

Buck is not coming in here to be baseball czar. If you want him to figure out what's wrong with our minor league system he need look no further then our major league team. If he has a problem with what players are being told in the minors about approach etc. then he can report that to AM. That's where the line is drawn IMOP. Consulting the ML team would be one thing. Consulting the entire organization is another.

[Mackus]

I wonder if Showalter meets Andy in Texas? He can look at the team and they can talk a contract. Who wants to bet we have something by Monday or Wednesday? I think it still could be Wedge if everything falls apart. We just have to look at Valentine to the Marlins.

I don't really see MacPhail and Showalter hammering out the details of his contract face to face over a board room table.

I'd think that its probably Andy trading faxes or phone calls with Showalter's agent.

[Going Underground]

I'm not sure MacPhail wants Showalter into ANYTHING.

True,I am not sure Andy wants Showalter at the warehouse.:laughlol:.

[Going Underground]

I don't really see MacPhail and Showalter hammering out the details of his contract face to face over a board room table.

I'd think that its probably Andy trading faxes or phone calls with Showalter's agent.

Angelos would have to get involved ,most likely.

[Guest pokerface7418]

I don't really see MacPhail and Showalter hammering out the details of his contract face to face over a board room table.

I'd think that its probably Andy trading faxes or phone calls with Showalter's agent.

Do people still fax? I knew AM had been accused of being slow, but seriously, it's 2010.

Oh...hold on a second....someone is paging me.

[LookinUp]

The good thing is your thinking outside the box. The problem is MLB is the most inside the box thinking major sport there is. GM's run the show, for better or worse, and Manager's manage.

This is probably true, but the dynamics will change for sure. A strong personality from the manager can certainly affect the goings-on at all levels in a way that is not offensive to the GM. It's called creative tension and it's a good thing that exists between strong-willed but respectful professionals.

There's no reason a good owner/manager/gm/scouting director etc., can't all contribute up and down the chain of command as long as they all know their appropriate place. Even PA could if he knows the difference between contributing and co-opting the role of your baseball professionals (which he's not shown any feel for, of course).