If it's true that Showalter wasn't AM's pick...

[ChaosLex]

... how does that make you feel?

Poll to come.

[MrOrange82]

Optimistic.

[Sports Guy]

BTW, this was one thing that some of us speculated on and now others are whining that we were bringing things like this up. Irony is delicious.

[LookitsPuck]

... how does that make you feel?

Poll to come.

SG already created this in the past.

I'll say what I've said before: it may not have been his pick, but it doesn't mean that MacPhail didn't want him.

I don't in any way think that Angelos took the reigns in this and proposed to MacPhail, talked to Buck, interviewed him, etc. etc. etc.

I think MacPhail looked at Buck as a viable candidate. He probably thought Wedge was good as well. If he liked one over the other, but liked both, this is a non-issue.

If MacPhail didn't want him at all, and Angelos forced his hand, then I have 2 issues:

1. Angelos having any say in anything.

2. MacPhail not wanting Buck at all. Why?

I think it's getting overblown by some "source" without more solid information.

[JTrea81]

:beerchug1::beerchug1:

I think that about covers it...

[LookitsPuck]

BTW, this was one thing that some of us speculated on and now others are whining that we were bringing things like this up. Irony is delicious.

There's that SG charm. Claim moral high ground in another thread and bash others for "crying", but here you are. Captain of the Cry-Baby Boat.

[MrOrange82]

There's that SG charm. Claim moral high ground in another thread and bash others for "crying", but here you are. Captain of the Cry-Baby Boat.

They have a whole boat? Nice.

[NewMarketSean]

There have been times when Angelos overruled his baseball men and made the right decision. If this is what happened, then it happened again.

The O's need Showalter as manager right now.

Hopefully this won't send Angelos on another "I'm smarter than baseball people" power trip.

[LookitsPuck]

There have been times when Angelos overruled his baseball men and made the right decision. If this is what happened, then it happened again.

When...and how often again?

[TiredofLosing20]

Any inclination that PA is making baseball related decisions again is horrible terrible news. If he has lost faith in AM then he should fire him and find another GM.

[flashjordnk]

I'll say what I've said before: it may not have been his pick, but it doesn't mean that MacPhail didn't want him.

This seems to be pretty smart to me. I can want Megan Fox, but settle for Scarlett Johansson.

Doesn't seem like I'm losing out on much. Maybe AM overvalued Wedge (I certainly think he did, I'm clearly not a Wedge fan).

But I think this quote is actually relevant. When your looking at voting about how much you like a guy the gap doesn't have to be big. And it sounds like AM wasn't necessarily ready to go to the grave to make sure Buck didn't get in.

[MemorialStadKid]

... how does that make you feel?

Poll to come.

It says a lot to me about AM, but nothing that I didn't already know. It just shows that he preferred a guy like Eric Wedge who he could control and who wouldn't voice opinions about personnel or development.

AM is clearly out of touch and I am not surprised that Angelos had to step in. This is just another indication of how far we have to go as an organization.

MSK

[LookitsPuck]

Any inclination that PA is making baseball related decisions again is horrible terrible news. If he has lost faith in AM then he should fire him and find another GM.

Agreed.

How soon we forget how terrible Angelos has been.

It's amazing what losing will do to people. I actually prefer the direction the team is going right now even with our horrible record....then having the hackneyed job the previous GMs have done over the years with Angelos's poor-baseball mind interfering.

[El Gordo]

SG already created this in the past.

I'll say what I've said before: it may not have been his pick, but it doesn't mean that MacPhail didn't want him.

I don't in any way think that Angelos took the reigns in this and proposed to MacPhail, talked to Buck, interviewed him, etc. etc. etc.

I think MacPhail looked at Buck as a viable candidate. He probably thought Wedge was good as well. If he liked one over the other, but liked both, this is a non-issue.

If MacPhail didn't want him at all, and Angelos forced his hand, then I have 2 issues:

1. Angelos having any say in anything.

2. MacPhail not wanting Buck at all. Why?

I think it's getting overblown by some "source" without more solid information.

If AM didn't want BS and PA over ruled him. AM would have resigned.

[Moose Milligan]

We'll never know. We'll hear a bunch of rumors and speculation, but we'll never know.

But yeah, if he wasn't AM's pick, it's pathetic.