Jump to content

Strasburg out for up to 2 years... what we can learn from it.

glorydays

By glorydays
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

BRob51 Perennial All-Star

BRob51

Posted
Posted
I remember I think it was Schilling's doctor that said Tommy John surgery was typically a precursor to a shoulder issue because the elbow ligament injury was actually a result of compensating for a shoulder problem such as a torn labrum.

Just look at Eric Bedard. First he has Tommy John surgery and then eventually labrum surgery. I bet you'll see Strasburg have a shoulder procedure eventually.

The elbow and shoulder are directly related. I don't know that I'd go so far as to generalize TJ as a precursor, but they certainly can be related.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 120
  • Created
  • Last Reply
Tony-OH Hangout Grand Counsel

Tony-OH

Posted
Posted
Such a shame for the Nats and Strasburg...but you had to see this coming...Its not surprising.

Hopefully he can come back from it and not be Mark Prior.

And no, he wasn't rushed at all.

This is really the truth. It's bad for baseball because his stuff was so dynamic, but he truly was a major injury risk. I told people from the start that they should enjoy him while they can because clearly that guy was going to blow.

The Nats handled him the best they could. He was worth the gamble in my opinion!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

JTrea81

Posted
Posted
You must be Nostradamus or something. "You had to see this coming"....are you kidding me?

There are plenty of other flamethrowers who have not succumbed to UCL injuries....Verlander, King Felix, David Price, to name a few. Would you have not taken the risk to draft/sign these guys because you saw an injury coming?

Throwing a baseball is not a natural movement, injuries do occur. Not sure what the percentages are, but your statement to me reads like an analogy to flipping a coin...."well, heads was bound to turn up....should have seen it coming."

It's revisionist history all over again...same thing that happened with Prior. At one time, it was said he had the purest most efficient mechanics. Then, he gets hurt, and everyone points to mechanics as the fault. Gimme a break.

Strasburg's delivery was a huge red flag when he was drafted. Several experts commented that his delivery was very similar to that of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, two injury plagued pitchers that just haven't been as effective since they've been hurt. He was a major injury risk because of that "inverted W" delivery.

Most recently the pitching coach of the White Sox, Don Cooper said he didn't believe Strasburg was going to be able to stay healthy because of his delivery.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
H0smash Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

H0smash

Posted
Posted
Why not? For a team that is relying on the draft for talent, I'd make darn sure that the guy I am picking with all that other talent available is as close to a lock as I can get.

If you are the Yankees or Red Sox - sure you can afford to take a gamble. And maybe the Nationals could because they are willing to invest in talent in other areas, but if that were the Orioles who took Strasburg, it would be a major setback.

It'd be a major setback for anyone. There's no evidence that Strasburg was at a higher risk of getting injured than any other pitcher. Go back right now, and tell me who you would have taken at #1 that would have been a better pick? Dustin Ackley is not the answer (and I don't care what team you are), when you have the #1 pick, you need to swing for the fences. Most of the time you don't get another #1 pick the next year so you better try to get the best player possible when you have that pick. Strasburg was/is a once-in-a-generation talent. I know that term gets overused, but the dude was an ace from the get-go. The only question was if he could stay healthy, and sadly he couldn't but he's only getting Tommy John, so he should be able to come back and help the Nats in the future. IF and only IF there had been a Ken Griffey Jr. or an A-Rod in that same draft would I not take Strasburg, but that draft did not have anyone of their caliber. The Nats made the right decision, one that any MLB team should have made if they were in the Nats' position, take the best player available. He had no past injuries or red flags, he was the right pick.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BRob51 Perennial All-Star

BRob51

Posted
Posted
You must be Nostradamus or something. "You had to see this coming"....are you kidding me?

There are plenty of other flamethrowers who have not succumbed to UCL injuries....Verlander, King Felix, David Price, to name a few. Would you have not taken the risk to draft/sign these guys because you saw an injury coming?

Throwing a baseball is not a natural movement, injuries do occur. Not sure what the percentages are, but your statement to me reads like an analogy to flipping a coin...."well, heads was bound to turn up....should have seen it coming."

It's revisionist history all over again...same thing that happened with Prior. At one time, it was said he had the purest most efficient mechanics. Then, he gets hurt, and everyone points to mechanics as the fault. Gimme a break.

Ehhh, Stras' delivery isn't bad, but it puts a lot of strain on his shoulder, and that can show up in the elbow.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hank Scorpio Hangout Grand Counsel

Hank Scorpio

Posted
Posted

Can you imagine the negative media attention and ridicule the Nats would have absorbed had they passed on Strasburg at #1?

They'd be the laughingstock of baseball.

Burnett, Josh Johnson, Tim Hudson, Chris Carpenter, Liriano, Marcum, Pavano, Smoltz, Soria, Soriano, Westbrook, CJ Wilson... there are many, many successful pitchers who have had and recovered from Tommy John surgery. It's certainly not a death knell, and passing on Strasburg would have been monumentally stupid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

JTrea81

Posted
Posted

BTW here's more about the "inverted W" and if you look at the names of the pitchers and the injury histories they've had, you can see the correlation.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/DeathToTheInvertedW.html

I think we should stay far away from potential pitching prospects that have this delivery, especially first round draft picks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

JTrea81

Posted
Posted
Can you imagine the negative media attention and ridicule the Nats would have absorbed had they passed on Strasburg at #1?

They'd be the laughingstock of baseball.

Burnett, Josh Johnson, Tim Hudson, Chris Carpenter, Liriano, Marcum, Pavano, Smoltz, Soria, Soriano, Westbrook, CJ Wilson... there are many, many successful pitchers who have had and recovered from Tommy John surgery. It's certainly not a death knell, and passing on Strasburg would have been monumentally stupid.

Then.

But they'd look pretty smart right about now IMO...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
RandyM Major Leaguer

RandyM

Posted
Posted
Then.

But they'd look pretty smart right about now IMO...

I have been usually supporting your statements. But this makes we want to shake my head and helps me understand why people feel so strongly about your statements.

Please provide a link where you proposed specifically that you didn't think Strasburg should go one or even that the O's should pass on him if he was available. Would love to see that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

JTrea81

Posted
Posted
I have been usually supporting your statements. But this makes we want to shake my head and helps me understand why people feel so strongly about your statements.

Please provide a link where you proposed specifically that you didn't think Strasburg should go one or even that the O's should pass on him if he was available. Would love to see that.

Oh I'm sure others can vouch that I said I'd take Ackley all along.

But I'll see if I can dig something up...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • Rufus
      USA Today Panel picks Orioles last in AL East

      By Rufus · Posted

      As in, another instance and you'd want him gone? Elias and the FO are building a foundation that will enable them to be a team I haven't witnessed in my lifetime - a consistent competitive team. I have 100% confidence in the process of the FO. Will every decision pan out? Of course not. But has the FO helped the organization more than any other FO in my lifetime? Without a doubt. My much greater concern is that Elias, Sig, et al leave because another organization realizes how valuable they are.
    • Going Underground
      Orioles food and beverage policy

      By Going Underground · Posted

      Opening Day Is a 3:05 gane start at Csmden Yards.They  are going to open the gates three hours before the game?  Have not heard this but you may be right. Fenway which usually does an 11/2 gate opening ,is doing a 2 hour gate opening for Opening Day. 
    • OriolesMagic83
      Roster moves at the end of ST

      By OriolesMagic83 · Posted

      Don't see a final roster posted yet.  If so, I missed it.
    • now
      It’s mostly about the pitching (2023 version)

      By now · Posted

      On balance I think it's fair to expect the improved rotation and regressed bullpen will even out, so pitching overall for the team will remain about the same. Meanwhile the hitting should definitely improve!
    • 24fps
      USA Today Panel picks Orioles last in AL East

      By 24fps · Posted

      At 76.5 I'll take the over on the O's and pass on betting their place in the standings.  While I'm pretty upset with this past off season, I'm not quite ready to grab a pitchfork.  Given that Westburg and Cowser and several others could all be ready to contribute soon, Elias should have a fair amount of flexibility at the trade deadline.  Was that his strategy all along?  Beats the heck out of me, but if that's the case and we sit and watch another failure to launch (liftoff v2.0 anyone?) then most of the goodwill I have toward him evaporates overnight.  Bottom line?  The 2022 O's earned a bigger investment than they've received so far but it's not too late to fix it.
    • yark14
      Minor League CBA Now Signed

      By yark14 · Posted

      MLB and the newly-unionized minor leagues just struck a new CBA.  Doubles AAA salaries with even bigger raises for the lower minors.  Now minor leaguers *almost* make a liveable wage.
    • Billy F-Face3
      It’s mostly about the pitching (2023 version)

      By Billy F-Face3 · Posted

      I won't lie, I'm very concerned about not having Tate in the bullpen for a month or 2. Tate was our most reliable reliever. Hyde could always count on him to get the job done. I thought Givens could fill the gap, but now Givens is injured too. Someone is going to have to seriously step up for the bullpen. I'm also convinced that Tyler Wells has a limited number of innings he can be effective. We've seen what happened last year once he got beyond a certain threshold. (He got injured.) I think that after a couple months, we might see either Voth, Baumann, Hall, or Rodriguez take some starts in that rotation spot. Who it is, depends on how Rodriguez and Hall are doing in Norfolk. If one of them is dominating, that's who will get the call.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...