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Considering he's only improved on his numbers from earlier this season, I believe this is still valid:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/elias-rankings-update-2.html

Hmm, I was looking at one of those Elias graphs earlier today that said he was Type B, but I guess it was outdated. I'd be willing to give up a pick for him, but it does make me less enthusiastic.

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SG, you are one of the most insightful, knowledgeable, interesting and amusing posters on here. That said, what makes you believe that Casey Kotchman will help us compete in the American League East at the most premium hitting position? The Yankees have T-Bag, the Red Sox have Youk. We need a stud, not an average hitter for a second baseman. On this team, there really is not a difference between our first baseman being Casey Kotchman and Jeff Tackett. We will be super-uncompetitive either way.

The bottom line is I do not assume or think we will contend next year.

So, if other options are exhausted, give me Kotchman and his OBP upside and solid glove. He would be nothing more than a stop gap.

Its not ideal but I like the idea of building a team with defense and Kotchman could help that out.

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He is a Type B now because of his poor performance this season..

I'm not sure why so many people are gung ho on the guy. He's lost speed and power and has dealt with many nagging injuries this season and he'll be 35.

He's not exactly somebody that will make a difference on this club, or be a threat in the lineup.

He'll make a decent placeholder like a Kevin Millar for a team that doesn't want to win now and would rather tread water.

That is not Showalter's Orioles.

You've made the Kevin Millar comp before but it isn't even close to accurate. Millar had a handful of solid seasons and many mediocre ones. Lee has been a consistent producer almost his entire career. I'm just not seeing this decline in skills you're seeing. The guy has been lighting it up since the all-star break.

You're incredibly shortsighted when it comes to evaluating free agents. Guys you've wanted us to sign after coming off of big years: Lackey, Burnett, Figgins, Bay. But a guy that's been great his whole career and we have an opportunity to pick up on the cheap, you're not interested in. For your own sake, don't ever play the stock market. We should be looking for next year's Guerrero and Thome (Lee), not dealing our talent while their stock is low (Tillman, Pie) for a guy like Fielder.

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League average OPS for AL and the O's by position:

C .687 .681 -6

1B .790 .629 -161

2B .720 .717 -3

3B .730 .669 -61

SS .669 .551 -118

LF .768 .673 -95

CF .726 .769 +43

RF .791 .792 +1

DH .758 .860 +102

It would seem that 1B, SS, and LF were our biggest needs, followed by 3B. But if we were just able to upgrade to league average every where, think how many more runs we would score.We would raise the team OPS to around .750.

Adding a 1B like Lee who would give us league average at worst, would be a big boost in production. A SS like Bartlett, almost as much of a boost. I think a platoon of Pie and Reimold could give us more than the league average in LF. We don't need no stinkin' premiums.:laughlol:

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The bottom line is I do not assume or think we will contend next year.

So, if other options are exhausted, give me Kotchman and his OBP upside and solid glove. He would be nothing more than a stop gap.

Its not ideal but I like the idea of building a team with defense and Kotchman could help that out.

Offensively, I feel we could acquire a much more productive player with minimal drop off from Kotchman's offense. For his career, Kotchman's UZR/150 is +8.8. Fangraphs has Paul Konerko is at -2.3, Derrek Lee at +0.9, and Carlos Pena at -2.7 (the latter two have won Gold Gloves, not that it matters).

Albert Pujols is universally hailed as the best defensive 1B in baseball (by Gold Glove count as well as the Fielding Bible); he is at +7.5.

Just for fun: Jason Bartlett is at +4.5, Inge is at +5.7, Beltre is at +15.3, Prince Fielder is at -6.5, Adrian Gonzalez is at +1.1.

Hmm...

After initially making this post to disagree with you, I feel this might not be a bad route to take. If we can acquire Kotchman very cheaply or if the Mariners nontender him, he's definitely not a bad option and most definitely a candidate for a bounce-back year. Give me Beltre and Bartlett and that's a hell of an infield, in terms of defense as well as offensive potential.

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Here is a list of potential free agents/potential trades and if they are Buck guys:

Derrick Lee - yes

Carlos Lee - no

Aramis Ramirez - no

Manny Ramirez - definate no:angryfire:

Dan Uggla - yes:smile11:

Victor Martinez - do not know enough

Adrian Gonzalez - I assuming yes

Aubrey Huff - Maybe

Juan Rivera- no

Carlos Beltran - no

Johnny Damon - yes

Paul Kirnerko - yes

Vernon wells - yes

Carlos Pena - yes

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Sign 1B Dunn 4/$55 million

Sign 3B Beltre 3/$36 million

Sign SP Westbrook

Trade Tillman/Prospect for SS Furcal

I'm not the biggest fan of trading for Fielder when we can sign Dunn. If we lose out on Dunn, then I'd look into aquiring Prince. If we can't get either, I'd throw 3 years at Konerko.

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Beltre 4/65-75

Dunn 3/42 or Lee at 2/22 plus 5 incentives club option at 13

if Darvish Posts 35 posting fee 5/35 deal.

Look for a surplus SS on the cheap, might even be willing to live with Andino and see if Buck can get him to stay professional and take the next step.

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You know there is is a ton of improvement that is possible by our guys simply playing well. I could easily see a 100 point ops improvement for The entire OF, C, SS without adding anyone. If this pitching is real there is a lot to be excited about.

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You know there is is a ton of improvement that is possible by our guys simply playing well. I could easily see a 100 point ops improvement for The entire OF, C, SS without adding anyone. If this pitching is real there is a lot to be excited about.

This is what some thought last offseason as well.

You can't depend on players progressing and you have to account for disappointment and injury.

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This is what some thought last offseason as well.

You can't depend on players progressing and you have to account for disappointment and injury.

Actually most really knowledgable fans thought this was going to be a year that we just did not have enough. The pitching was not fully baked and there were still a bunch of guys that we really did not have a handle on whet they were. We have the pitchers ready for opening day now. The dissapointments are what they are. Honestly if Nick, MW, Brob and Pie/reimold are even AJ to a lesser extent only are what they were this season we have very little hope.

All of these guys don't have to be stars but the entire group together needs to be well above average. I think they can easily achive that. I know you believe they don't make enough to achive this.

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He is a Type B now because of his poor performance this season..

I'm not sure why so many people are gung ho on the guy. He's lost speed and power and has dealt with many nagging injuries this season and he'll be 35.

He's not exactly somebody that will make a difference on this club, or be a threat in the lineup.

He'll make a decent placeholder like a Kevin Millar for a team that doesn't want to win now and would rather tread water.

That is not Showalter's Orioles.

This'll be a fun offseason. :rolleyes:

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